The Evils of Cessationalism

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My opinion is that the televangelist, in that their motives are to benefit the billfold, is a form of cessationalism.

There is only one name to accredit miracles with, and that is the name of Jesus. When RW Schambach had his trucks painted he had Schambach ministries in lower fonts and the name of Jesus in greater fonts. I worry that the emphasis on a mans name rather than Gods produces a no-good that John Wesley once eluded to in a letter to Francis Asbury....


LONDON
September 20, 1788


My Dear Brother:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.

But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! 0 beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky, I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,

John Wesley
 
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Thats what i said.
Nice backtrack... but I'm not buying it. You are the one who brought up Benny Hinn. The previous context was the power of God being available to all. You're response to that was, "Show Benny Hinn at a hospital healing people, just once, and I'll believe."

So it is either, when Benny Hinn shows up at a hospital healing people you will believe that the power of God is available to all... OR your comment really wasn't all that related to the original topic, you just used this as an opportunity to bash the guy. (Who I'm not really a fan of myself... but that's not really the point of any of this)
 
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You're right. I dont believe in any faith healers for the same reason i dont believe in Benny Hinn.
So your faith in what God can do is based on, or at least influenced by, the behavior of men. To me that seems pretty... limiting... of God
 
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Actually its men i am lacking faith in.
Men don't heal, God does. So the question is, can He use flawed men as conduits for healing? I think the Bible is pretty clear on the answer to that. The fact that people manipulate and abuse biblical principles is nothing new, but if we threw out or dismissed principles of God because men abused them, we'd literally have nothing left.
 
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Men don't heal, God does. So the question is, can He use flawed men as conduits for healing? I think the Bible is pretty clear on the answer to that. The fact that people manipulate and abuse biblical principles is nothing new, but if we threw out or dismissed principles of God because men abused them, we'd literally have nothing left.
Actually thats not my argument. My argument is simply that i believe what i see.
 
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Actually thats not my argument. My argument is simply that i believe what i see.
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No, i asked for proof and got none, so my observation is that so far there is no evidence that faith healers have visited and healed children at Shriner's and St Jude's hospitals.
Oh ok, I'm sure Benny and everyone else's scheduling assistants will be along shortly to help you with your internet demands.
 
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I coulda said that back at post #7
Its not a demand, its a debate. Calling Cessationalists evil is bad enough, but then calling their concerns "demands" is not true. Am i not allowed to defend my beliefs or should i just say "you're right, im evil"?
 
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Its not a demand, its a debate. Calling Cessationalists evil is bad enough, but then calling their concerns "demands" is not true. Am i not allowed to defend my beliefs or should i just say "you're right, im evil"?
Is Benny here to defend himself?
 
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