First of all, the heavenly Father & the Messiah did NOT want His blood to remain in His veins. Christ repeatedly said He was going to suffer, die on a cross, shed His blood to establish the New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD. The Father SENT HIM to be incarnated & die on the cross & needed A BLOOD ATONEMENT MADE ONCE FOR ALL, so that we could have our sins forgiven, could be reconciled to Him, bought back from the slave market of sin with the PRECIOUS blood of Christ.
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Does the Bible refer to at least two different types of “will”?
Luke 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet
not my will, but yours be done.”
What “will” is Jesus referring to that is
not going to be done?
Jesus always willed to do what the Father wanted, but is there another type of “will” we might refer to as “personal desire”?
James 1: 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you,
not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Did God/Christ personally desired what they would allow to happen for the benefit of us humans. God’s and Christ’s desire for us is greater than their desire to avoid a huge pain and suffering?
From Christ’s pray in the garden we know he would have preferred “another way” if there had been another way. We need to know this personal desire of Christ and God to better appreciate what they are doing. If you think it was: no big deal, really something Christ was hoping to do, just another day for Christ, and there was no pain for Christ, than you are missing the point.
Christ did not have to nor did He really want to go through the torture humiliation and murder, but out of Love for us did it.
Does a soldier really want to give up his life in battle to save his comrades, but will out of Love for them? He was not happy doing it.
It is NOT truly sad & horrible what we require to have our sins atoned for & to redeem us & reconcile us back to God in FELLOWSHIP, when we repent and believe the gospel. The apostle Peter calls it PRECIOUS BLOOD, not sad & horrible. Christ endured the cross because of the JOY SET BEFORE HIM! He willingly gave up His innocent life to death & shed His blood once for all time, to bring salvation, forgiveness & redemption.
Would it have been better: if people could fulfill their earthly objective without sinning and thus not needing Christ to going to the cross (another way) or would that have taken the pleasure of helping people away from Christ?
What makes Christ’s blood “precious”, if Christ did not value that blood in His veins?
The writers say “endure” and “scorning its shame” suggesting a huge displeasure?
What is this “JOY SET BEFORE HIM”? Some have said to me a few hours on the cross to be ruler over a huge kingdom would be worth it, but is Christ doing this to sit on a huge thrown and be served by millions? That is a carnal desire.
Christ told and showed us what Spiritual leaders are like, living in and through humans serving others. Christ’s ‘joy” comes with completing the human child of God with a way to be fairly/justly/Lovingly disciplined. Going through it with us for the strongest benefit we could obtain. We than can have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
I Pet 1:18,19 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
Again what makes it “precious” (Hard to give up)? This is the greatest sacrificial payment God and Christ can make, but it is a huge sacrifice for the payers of the ransom, really not what they “should” have done for such undeserving children.
Hebrews 12:2,3 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM ENDURED THE CROSS, scorning its shame & sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. CONSIDER HIM, who endured such hostility from sinners, so that you will not grow weary & lose heart.
God did not have to appease the devil in any way. Jesus came to conquer by His suffering, death, burial & resurrection. He has the keys of Hades & death; He overcame death so that we might be set free in the glorious liberty that comes from being continually cleansed by His precious blood.
Death comes after the torture, humiliation and murder of Christ and it is really when the atonement sacrifice stopped, as Jesus said before his death “it is finished”.
Again what I am only talking about is what the Hebrew writer is saying: enduring the cross, scorning the shame, and enduring such hostility from sinners, which is not enjoyable or desired by anyone.
WE are to take up our cross DAILY, denying ourselves & following Him, being crucified with Him, offering up our bodies & lives as a 'LIVING SACRIFICE.'
Every day now around the world, many Christians are spilling their blood in martyrdom because of their faith in Christ, sharing in the fellowship of His sufferings.
Yes, you can be a martyr for the cause, but it is not fun to go through, but it is an honor and privilege and the joy comes with heaven.
But is that what Paul meant when he talked about being crucified with Christ?
What did you experience when you first came to the realization; Christ was tortured, humiliated and murdered because of you did you feel “THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS”? I feel I am to blame for the tragedy and the only way I can live with that fact is the fact the greatest Love is being shown for me at the same time.
Rom 3:25 GOD PRESENTED HIM as an atoning sacrifice THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand.
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice,
because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished... (Rom. 3:25, 1984 NIV)
The cross is foolishness to the nonbeliever, so it takes a lot to show the logic and benefit.
The Crucifixion is described allegorically by Christ, Paul, Peter, John (in Revelations) and the Hebrew writer as a ransom payment.
Paul in Ro. 3:25 giving the extreme contrast between the way sins where handle prior to the cross and after the cross, so if they were actually handle the same way “by the cross” there would be no contrast, just a time factor, but Paul said (forgiven) sins prior to the cross where left “unpunished”, but that also means the forgiven “sinner” after the cross were punished.
From Romans 3: 25 Paul tells us: God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. …
Another way of saying this would be “God offers the ransom payment (Christ Crucified and the blood that flowed from Him) to those that have the faith to receive that ransom.
God is not the undeserving kidnapper nor is satan, but the unbeliever is himself is holding back the child of God from the Father, that child that is within every one of us.
Paul goes on to explain:
Ro. 3: 25 …He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished
I do not like the word “unpunished” since the same Greek word also means “undisciplined”.
So prior to the cross repentant forgiven people (saved individuals) could not be fairly and justly disciplined for the rebellious disobedience, but after the cross if we repent (come to our senses and turn to God) we can be fairly and justly disciplined and yet survive.