Putting our feet on satan's neck... the next order of business

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Ok, try to picture prisons of war remaining in their cells, nearly starving, trying to convince themselves that everything is ok because we won the war.

Our victory was supposed to be observable, lol. Is it any wonder the world does not want what we are peddling? Our mantra is “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” yet God’s mantra for us is that our shields of faith will quench ALL the. fiery arrows of satan.

We have forgotten how to blush. We are about to get a refresher course.

Blessings,

Gideon


Our victory is observable, His name is Jesus Christ! The world doesnt want Him because many of us have screwed the gospel up so bad. If we actually made it about Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, a lot more people would be interested, however we have made it about keeping rules and regulations and not about our work, they might have some interest. Ignore the enemy, it has no power over you.

Not sure what the whole blushing thing is about.
 
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No brother, we are in the process of awakening. To lay a guilt trip on mis-led Saints when they have not ever taken the first step by reckoning themselves dead is simply putting the cart before the horse.
No one is misled unless they choose to be
JESUS said ... Be doers of the words and not hearers only decieving your own selves..

We need not lay a guilt trip.
Untill we start obeying we are guilty of disobeying
God never ever turns us in automatic robots .
Obedience that without free will is not obedience it is mechanical function.

There must be a death to self and a taking up of cross...
A willingness to suffer in the flesh rather then sin by disobedience..

....

Check out this map for instance...
TLR Map
(You'll need a laptop screen to appreciate its scope- 3 years ago it was just a sprinkle...

Its the realisation of the tommy hicks vision
...a sleeping giant that rose up then melted into many individuals going out into all the earth.healing the sick preaching the gospel . extreme uncompromising unstoppable..

Every pin is a real live person going out to reach the lost ..not assemblies..just real live people obeying God ..
Every one of them come to the realization that they had to stop fooling them selves and make a decision to cease from sin , deny themselves and Go out and obey JESUS.
Not an organisation, nothing to join , just disciples of JESUS Doing what JESUS said to do ...
Obedient children of the only righteous father and God.

Those who refuse to obey will ultimatly only be Offended by the stone of Jesus they are rejecting
But those who believe on him will fall on him ,and be broken free of this world.
But upon whom he falls they will be crushed.

His every word of truth is plainly written
They cannot be decieved except they by thier refusal to obey and Do what he said " decieve themselves"
They simply Do not love him.
 
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In reference to the maplink for consideration
Here is also the vision recorded by Tommy hicks....


Tommy Hicks, an evangelist, was used by the Lord in the great Argentine Revival. God gave him vision in 1961 of the end times, a vision of the giant endtimeministry.
1.This vision began July 25th, about 2:30 in the morning, in Winnipeg, Canada.
The vision came three times, exactly in detail, the morning of July 25th, 1961. I was so stirred and so moved by the revelation that this has changed my complete outlook upon the body of Christ, and upon the endtime ministry.
The greatest thing that the church of Jesus Christ has ever been given, lies straight ahead.
It is difficult to help men and women to realize the thing that God is trying to give to His people in the endtime.
2.I do not think I fully realized nor could I understand the fullness of it until I read in the book of Joel 2:23, Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
It is not only going to rain the former and the latter rain, but He is going to give His people in these last days a double portion of the power of God.
When this vision appeared to me, I suddenly found myself at a great height. I was looking down upon the earth, when suddenly the whole world came into view – every nation, every kindred, every tongue came before my sight. From the east and the west; from the north and the south; I recognized the countries and cities that I had been in. I was almost in fear and trembling as I stood beholding the great sight before me. At that moment, when the world came into view, it began to lightning and thunder.
As the lightning flashed over the face of the earth, my eyes went downward – and I was facing the north. Suddenly I beheld what looked like a great giant. As I stared and looked at it, I was almost bewildered by the sight. The giant was gigantic. His feet seemed to reach to the north pole and his head to the south pole. His arms were stretched from sea to sea. I could not even begin to understand whether this was a mountain or whether this was a giant. As I watched, I suddenly beheld that it was a great giant. I could see he was struggling for life, to even live. His body was covered with debris from head to foot; and at times this great giant would move his body and act as though he would rise up. When he did, thousands of little creatures seemed to run away. Hideous looking creatures would run away from this giant and when he would become calm, they would come back.
All of a sudden this great giant lifted one hand toward the heavens, and then he lifted his other hand. When he did, these creatures by the thousands seemed to flee away from this giant and go out into the night.
Slowly this great giant began to rise – and as he did, his head and hands went into the clouds. As he arose to his feet he seemed to have cleansed himself from the debris and filth that was upon him, and he began to raise his hands into the heavens as though praising the Lord. As he raised his hands, they went even unto the clouds.
Suddenly, every cloud became silver; the most beautiful silver that I have ever known. As I watched the phenomenon, it was so great, I could not even begin to understand what it all meant, I was so stirred as I watched it. I cried unto the Lord and I said, “Oh, Lord, what is the meaning of this?” And it felt as if I was actually in the Spirit and I could feel the presence of the Lord, even as I was asleep.
From those clouds, suddenly there came great drops of liquid light raining down upon this mighty giant. Slowly, slowly, this giant began to melt – began to sink, as it were, into the very earth itself. As he melted, his whole form seemed to have melted upon the face of the earth. This great rain began to come down. Liquid drops of light began to flood the very earth itself. As I watched this giant that seemed to melt, suddenly it became millions of people over the face of the earth. As I beheld the sight before me, people stood up all over the world. They were lifting their hands and they were praising the Lord.
At that very moment there came a great thunder that seemed to roar from the heavens. I turned my eyes toward the heavens, and suddenly I saw a figure in white, in glistening but somehow I knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ. He stretched forth His hand. As He did, He would stretch it forth to one, and to another, and to another as He stretched forth His hand upon the peoples and the nations of the world – men and women. As He pointed toward them, this liquid light seemed to flow from His hand into this person and a mighty anointing of God came upon them. Those people began to go forth in the name of the Lord.
I do not know how long I watched it. It seemed it went into days and weeks and months. I beheld this Christ as He continued to stretch forth His hand. But there was a tragedy. There were many people, as He stretched forth His hands, that refused the anointing of God and call of God. I saw men and women that I knew, people that I felt that certainly they would receive the call of God. As He stretched forth His hand toward this one, and towards that one, they simply bowed their heads and began to back away. To each of those that seemed to bow down and back away, they seemed to go into darkness. Blackness seemed to swallow them everywhere.
I was bewildered as I watched it. These people that He had anointed covered the earth. There were hundreds of thousands of these people all over the world – in Africa, Asia, Russia, China, America – all over the world. The anointing of God was upon these people as they went forth in the name of the Lord. I saw these men and women as they went forth. They were ditch diggers, they were washer women, they were rich men, they were poor men. I saw people who were bound with paralysis and sickness, and blindness and deafness. As the Lord stretched forth His hand to give them this anointing, they became well, they became healed – and they went forth.
This is the miracle of it. This is the glorious miracle of it. Those people would stretch forth their hands exactly as the Lord did, and it seemed that there was this same liquid fire that seemed to be in their hands. As they stretched forth their hands, they said, “According to my word, be thou made whole.”
As these people continued in this mighty endtime ministry, I did not fully realize what it was. I looked to the Lord and said, “What is the meaning of this?” He said, “This is that, that I will do in the last day. I will restore all the cankerworm, the palmerworm, the caterpillar – I will restore all that they have destroyed. This, My people in the endtime, shall go forth and as a mighty army shall they sweep over the face of the earth.”
As I was at this great height, I could behold the whole world. I watched these people as they were going to and fro over the face of the earth. Suddenly there was a man in Africa, and in a moment he was transported in the Spirit of God, and perhaps he was in Russia, or China, or America, or some other place, and vice versa. All over the world these people went. They came through fire and through pestilence and through famine. Neither fire nor persecution – nothing seemed to stop them.
Angry mobs came to them with swords and with guns, and like Jesus, they passed through the multitude and they could not find them. But they went forth in the name of the Lord. Everywhere they stretched forth their hands, the sick were healed, the blind eyes were opened. There was not a long prayer. I never saw a church, and I never saw or heard a denomination. These people were going in the name of the Lord of Hosts.
As they marched forward as the ministry of Christ in the endtime, these people ministered to the multitudes over the face of the earth. Tens of thousands, even millions seemed to come to the Lord Jesus Christ as these people stood forth and gave the message of the kingdom – of the coming kingdom – in this last hour. It was so glorious! It seemed there were those that rebelled. They would become angry. They tried to attack those workers that were giving the message.
God is going to give to the world a demonstration in this last hour such as the world has never known. These men and women are of all walks of life. Degrees will mean nothing. I saw these workers as they were going over the face of the earth. When one would seem to stumble and fall, another would come and pick him up. There were no big “I” little “you”. Every mountain was brought low and every valley was exalted, and they seemed to have one thing in common – there was a divine love that seemed to flow forth from these people as they went together, as they worked together, as they lived together. It was the theme of their life. They continued and it seemed the days went by as I stood and beheld this sight. I could only cry – and sometimes I laughed. It was so wonderful as these people went throughout the face of the whole earth showing forth God’s power in this last endtime.
As I watched from the very heaven itself, there were times when great deluges of this liquid light seemed to fall upon great congregations. The congregations would lift their hands and seemingly praise God for hours and even days, as the Spirit of God came upon them. God said, “I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh.” That is exactly the thing that God was doing. From every man and woman that received this power and the anointing of God, the miracles of God flowed continuously.
Suddenly there was another great clap of thunder that seemed to resound around the world. Again I heard the voice saying: “Now, this is My people; this is My beloved bride.” When the voice spoke, I looked upon the earth and I could see the lakes and the mountains. The graves were opened and people from all over the world, the saints of all ages, seemed to be rising. as they rose from the graves – suddenly all these people came from every direction – from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and they seemed to be forming again this gigantic body. As the dead in Christ seemed to be rising first, I could hardly comprehend it. It was so marvelous. It was so far beyond anything I could ever dream or think of.
This huge body suddenly began to form and take shape again, and its shape was in the form of the mighty giant, but this time it was different. It was arrayed in the most beautiful, gorgeous white. Its garments were without spot or wrinkle as this body began to form, and the people of all ages seemed to be gathering into this body. Slowly, from the heavens above, the Lord Jesus came and became the head. I heard another clap of thunder that said, “This is My beloved bride for whom I have waited. She will come forth, even tried by fire. This is she that I have loved from the beginning of time.”
As I watched, my eyes turned to the far north and I saw great destruction, men and women in anguish and crying out, and buildings destroyed. Then I heard again, the fourth voice that said, “Now is My wrath being poured out upon the face of the earth.” From the ends of the whole world, it seemed that there were great vials of God’s wrath being poured out upon the face of the earth. I can remember it as I beheld the awful sight of seeing the cities, and whole nations going down into destruction. I could hear the weeping and the wailing. I could hear people crying. They seemed to cry as they went into caves, but the caves and the mountains opened up. They leaped into water, but the water would not drown them. There was nothing that seemingly could destroy them. They were wanting to take their lives but they did not succeed.
Again I turned my eyes toward the glorious sight of this body arrayed in the beautiful white shining garment. Slowly, slowly, it began to lift from the earth, and as it did, I awoke. This sight that I had beheld – I had seen the end-of-time ministry, the last hour.
Again on July 27 at 2:30 in the morning the same revelation, the same vision, came again exactly as it did before.
My life has been changed as I realize that we are living in that end time, for all over the world God is anointing men and women with this ministry. It will not be doctrine. It will not be “churchianity;” but it is going to be Jesus Christ.
They will give forth the word of the Lord and are going to say – I heard it so many times in the vision – “According to my word, it shall be done.”
Oh people, listen to me! “According to my word, it shall be done.” We are going to be clothed with power and anointing from God. We won’t have to preach sermons. We won’t have to preach sermons. We won’t have to depend on man, nor will we be denominational echoes, but we will have the power of the living God! We will fear no man, but will go in the name of the Lord of Hosts!
.....

Now check out the map again ...
TLR Map

...and note... Every single person is confronted with a CHOICE to take it up and Go out into this final harvest...
 
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No one is misled unless they choose to be
JESUS said ... Be doers of the words and not hearers only decieving your own selves..

We need not lay a guilt trip.
Untill we start obeying we are guilty of disobeying
God never ever turns us in automatic robots .
Obedience that without free will is not obedience it is mechanical function.

There must be a death to self and a taking up of cross...
A willingness to suffer in the flesh rather then sin by disobedience..

....

Check out this map for instance...
TLR Map
(You'll need a laptop screen to appreciate its scope- 3 years ago it was just a sprinkle...

Its the realisation of the tommy hicks vision
...a sleeping giant that rose up then melted into many individuals going out into all the earth.healing the sick preaching the gospel . extreme uncompromising unstoppable..

Every pin is a real live person going out to reach the lost ..not assemblies..just real live people obeying God ..
Every one of them come to the realization that they had to stop fooling them selves and make a decision to cease from sin , deny themselves and Go out and obey JESUS.
Not an organisation, nothing to join , just disciples of JESUS Doing what JESUS said to do ...
Obedient children of the only righteous father and God.

Those who refuse to obey will ultimatly only be Offended by the stone of Jesus they are rejecting
But those who believe on him will fall on him ,and be broken free of this world.
But upon whom he falls they will be crushed.

His every word of truth is plainly written
They cannot be decieved except they by thier refusal to obey and Do what he said " decieve themselves"
They simply Do not love him.
Brother, goats are driven to get them where you want them. Sheep are led.

Of course God does not turn us into robots. As we abide in Him by faith, believing that He has made us new creatures with sin no longer having power over us, we begin to grow into Him partaking of the strength and goodness of the vine. It is in this way He causes us to obey.

Do you not see that true sheep have been led into pastures that can not sustain life? And if they are found in these pastures, having drifted from the truth, does that make them not sheep? And has Jesus not promised to rescue such sheep, sheep who have lost their way, and if needs be, carry them on His shoulders back to the Father?

By your definition, over 99.9999999% of the church as we know it are lost. By my definition, all are asleep, both sheep and goat, wheat and tares, to the point they can hardly be distinguished from one another.

God's true sheep are in disobedience, yes, but they are still sheep. And when they are awakened as to who they truly are, new creatures, and yield themselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, to their amazement, they will not only know ABOUT their God but KNOW Him.

Focusing on people's guilt for not street witnessing or healing the sick may garner a few but the vast majority of true saints, the elect, will not respond to legalistic demands to DO anything. Ahhhh, but they will respond to Christ in them, causing them both to will AND to do of His good pleasure.

You are trying to get people to DO instead of concentrating on them BEING crucified with Christ. Oh, you may get a few results but in the end, if their witnessing is not done as a fruit of abiding in the vine by faith, they will wither in discouragement.

You are in my prayers, dear friend.

blessings,

Gideon
 
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Brother, goats are driven to get them where you want them. Sheep are led.

Of course God does not turn us into robots. As we abide in Him by faith, believing that He has made us new creatures with sin no longer having power over us, we begin to grow into Him partaking of the strength and goodness of the vine. It is in this way He causes us to obey.

Do you not see that true sheep have been led into pastures that can not sustain life? And if they are found in these pastures, having drifted from the truth, does that make them not sheep? And has Jesus not promised to rescue such sheep, sheep who have lost their way, and if needs be, carry them on His shoulders back to the Father?

By your definition, over 99.9999999% of the church as we know it are lost. By my definition, all are asleep, both sheep and goat, wheat and tares, to the point they can hardly be distinguished from one another.

God's true sheep are in disobedience, yes, but they are still sheep. And when they are awakened as to who they truly are, new creatures, and yield themselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, to their amazement, they will not only know ABOUT their God but KNOW Him.

Focusing on people's guilt for not street witnessing or healing the sick may garner a few but the vast majority of true saints, the elect, will not respond to legalistic demands to DO anything. Ahhhh, but they will respond to Christ in them, causing them both to will AND to do of His good pleasure.

You are trying to get people to DO instead of concentrating on them BEING crucified with Christ. Oh, you may get a few results but in the end, if their witnessing is not done as a fruit of abiding in the vine by faith, they will wither in discouragement.

You are in my prayers, dear friend.

blessings,

Gideon
No one is focussing on any ones guilt
There is no need to ...
It does not matter what any one says i can only be upset by it IF im in the wrong..
Thers no such thing as street witnessing..
That is to say we are all called to be witnesses to the truth of Christ.Every where
All the time..

What exactly is it you think awakened people will do?
Sing more songs in sunday?
No they will Do the One thing central to the hearts and Goal of Why Jesus came.. To Save Souls..
Any believer who cares nothing for saving souls does not love God or care for his will.
They will rise up abd Go with the Gospel to the high way and the by way
Without respect of persons and they will bring the love and life of God and his kingdom just as Our Lord JESUS showed as as example to us
And then.he said " follow me..."
 
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You are trying to get people to DO instead of concentrating on them BEING crucified with Christ. Oh, you may get a few results but in the end, if their witnessing is not done as a fruit of abiding in the vine by faith, they will wither in discouragement.
No
Jesus ..he is calling us all
The father says to the sons
Go work in my vinyards some say ..yes i will go.but they never do go.
They hear but they do not do.
Its not but Jesus who said it that they are self decieved. Repentance is lacking.
They are still going thier own way.

I assure you , brushing it aside that it might be done as not abiding ... Is actually in itself not abiding.
People get to enter into the way of salvation in christ by the declaration of the Good news of JESUS.
The ministry of reconciliation is given to all believers.
It is not possible to be a sincere believer in Christ and not testify of him .
When a person recieves the Holy Spirit it is for the purpose of being his witness.
When we believe him we love him, when we love him we obey him ..
Its all about love.
 
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you can’t really recommend teaching that is based on a lie, manipulated for support and protection stemming from a lie, to say that is the way to defeat the father of lies :sigh:
search the scriptures and see if that be a lie :sigh:
truth is much more revealing that fiction :sigh:
remembering what one reads is extremely helpful to summarize what the bible story is saying to maintain a true perspective or else one is just living another lie based on lack of knowledge and/or desire to know’ the truth :sigh:
Remember the fellow who wanted to join Yeshua's group and the Lord said no, you go and tell everyone what just happened. Not everyone gets to sit at His feet and learn, some are called to run with what they have and know. Mark 5:19
 
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Powerful and encouraging thread to read! Thank you for sharing this!

The part about the dry bones have come to me earlier too, and I have noticed others who have also gotten the same in mind. It is still encouraging reading about it, and seeing other believers getting the same understanding given to them as well. :)

God keep on blessing you and your family, in Jesus Christ's Name! Amen!
 
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I thought the war was already won, exactly why are we putting "a foot on his neck"?
If we are still walking as prisoners of sin in Romans 7, the war indeed is over, but the news of Jesus making a show of the devil openly hasn't filtered out of our brains and into our hearts.

blessings,

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If we are still walking as prisoners of sin in Romans 7, the war indeed is over, but the news of Jesus making a show of the devil openly hasn't filtered out of our brains and into our hearts.

blessings,

Gids.
Yep, one man, Yeshua winning the battle, isn't won in everyone's heart, yet.
 
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No
Jesus ..he is calling us all
The father says to the sons
Go work in my vinyards some say ..yes i will go.but they never do go.
They hear but they do not do.
Its not but Jesus who said it that they are self decieved. Repentance is lacking.
They are still going thier own way.

I assure you , brushing it aside that it might be done as not abiding ... Is actually in itself not abiding.
People get to enter into the way of salvation in christ by the declaration of the Good news of JESUS.
The ministry of reconciliation is given to all believers.
It is not possible to be a sincere believer in Christ and not testify of him .
When a person recieves the Holy Spirit it is for the purpose of being his witness.
When we believe him we love him, when we love him we obey him ..
Its all about love.
Do you not see? What you are insisting upon is like trying to demand an empty vessel begin to overflow onto others. Trust me, when someone is truly full, and God pours in more, they will overflow. WILL.

Can you show me in the book of Acts where any lay people who were not of the 120 were actually doing as you suggest every single soul who claims Christ as their savior needs to do today to prove they are saved? There may be an instance, I am not sure, but in all the epistles that follow, the apostles, to my knowledge at least, never made the statements you are making.

I fear that you have fallen into error, despite being told by the Lord that arm cannot say to the leg "I have no need of you." Can the Holy Spirit not lead and guide..... and cause us to do His bidding? Of course He can!

You have simply returned to a subtle form of legalistic demands. Unless a man is walking in His new creation, with His old man reckoned dead, and established in said faith, how can you demand they go out, hit the streets and begin to witness and heal?

Fill them through the truth of who they are. Your posts now are hard and unbending, and the truth is I almost never hear you talk of the need for putting off the old nature by faith. Until that is done, anything further is pointless. Unless their minds are renewed by faith, as they put off the old and embrace the new, they cannot do as you say unless driven to do so, and that is not the Lord.

I love you my brother, but perhaps it would be better to avoid posting on each others threads unless we can avoid what is at present an uncrossable bridge.

Blessings,

Gids
 
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Do you not see? What you are insisting upon is like trying to demand an empty vessel begin to overflow onto others. Trust me, when someone is truly full, and God pours in more, they will overflow. WILL.

Can you show me in the book of Acts where any lay people who were not of the 120 were actually doing as you suggest every single soul who claims Christ as their savior needs to do today to prove they are saved? There may be an instance, I am not sure, but in all the epistles that follow, the apostles, to my knowledge at least, never made the statements you are making.

I fear that you have fallen into error, despite being told by the Lord that arm cannot say to the leg "I have no need of you." Can the Holy Spirit not lead and guide..... and cause us to do His bidding? Of course He can!

You have simply returned to a subtle form of legalistic demands. Unless a man is walking in His new creation, with His old man reckoned dead, and established in said faith, how can you demand they go out, hit the streets and begin to witness and heal?

Fill them through the truth of who they are. Your posts now are hard and unbending, and the truth is I almost never hear you talk of the need for putting off the old nature by faith. Until that is done, anything further is pointless. Unless their minds are renewed by faith, as they put off the old and embrace the new, they cannot do as you say unless driven to do so, and that is not the Lord.

I love you my brother, but perhaps it would be better to avoid posting on each others threads unless we can avoid what is at present an uncrossable bridge.

Blessings,

Gids
No one who has recieved the Holy Spirit is an empty vessel
Just an obedient vessel or a fearful and disobedient vessel.

No ones mind is completely renewed but "being renewed"
If we remain inactive (disobedient) until the
mind is renewed it will never be renewed and we will remain inactive.
It costs us to obey.
We have to make a decision in opposition to what our flesh wants and Do as we know Holy Spirit wants...
That- is what dying to the flesh means.

Jesus himself learned obedience by the things he suffered..
He is our supreme example.
Love - obeys
Obedience - loves.

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To put off the old nature and put on Christ results in one DOING the will of the father.
Talking about doing it means nothing.
Its all empty theory...untill it is Acted on.
The old nature does not desire to go out and share the Gospel
The old nature wants people to like it , wants to have preeminence..
The old nature is always excusing itself from responsibilities of righteousness

The nature of Christ lays down the things of this world
It does not just say to people be warm and filled
It gives up all things in order to clothe and feed them .
The nature of Christ desires to feed and clothe them eternally through the salvation of God.The salvation if God comes by the decalaring of the Good news of Jesus.The good news of JESUS is to be obeyed.
The nature of Christ is always Doing the will of the father.
If you wish to speak of putting on the nature of Christ them do not theorise about it
Do it
Dont speak about being a branch abiding in the vine..
If you ARE a branch abiding in the vine then then the fruits will make it evident .

If your branch is barren and your sitting around waiting for it to suddenly sprout then best take a look to see if the other end is grafted into anything at all .

Dont keep saying its me.. Im only repeating the very direct words of JESUS.
And the apostles letters which say the same.

They say Goad one another on to love and good works...
Love of Christ obeys Christ.
Faith is the action taken when one believes JESUS.
Never the theory dicussed.thats just theory.

If we believe .then get up and Go and start doing what he said.
And He will guide and teach you.
He is waiting for those that believe to put his instructions into Action so he can then Hone thier learning.
 
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No one who has recieved the Holy Spirit is an empty vessel
Just an obedient vessel of a fearful and disobedient vessel.

No ones mind is completely renewed but "being renewed"
If we remain inactive (disobedient) until the
mind is renewed it will never be renewed and we will remain inactive.
It costs us to obey.
We have to make a decision in opposition to what our flesh wants and Do as we know Holy Spirit wants...
That- is what dying to the flesh means.

Jesus himself learned obedience by the things he suffered..
He is our supreme example.
Love - obeys
Obedience - loves.

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I would suspect this is where all the cards are placed on the table, lol. I have come to believe that what we call being filled with the Spirit as evidence by tongues is simply not true. There is plenty of scriptures on both sides of the argument, that is for sure, but I base my stand simply on the lack of fruit that has sprung up on the vine of the charismatic church as a whole.

This hurts my heart to say it, because I have been part of a charismatic fellowship as a younger christian as far back as the Jesus movement and Keith Green. Then it was ministers of the traditional denominations, choosing to leave (or be thrust out) in order to follow their heart. Charismatic fellowships popped up all over. No more organs and somber services. Guitars and tambourines, instead. No more stuffy suits. Blue jeans and sandals, baby. I truly thought we were onto something amazing, as you do now.

Oh, it started out amazing, but over the years, we have come full circle. In the end, all we did is make a new denomination! And then the craziness followed.... prosperity, suave, well groomed preachers milking the flock, personality cults, gold dust, barking like dogs, being pushing down ...well, we called it being slain in the Spirit, right? Is it any wonder the rest of Christianity didn't follow the path we have blazed?

Mind you, I am not saying there is no truth to be found there, but it caters to emotional excesses, not sound doctrine. Have we experienced what they did on the day of Pentecost? No way. That is coming when the cry goes forth, "Live, bones, live".

Leonard Ravenhill once asked "Can you explain to me how 120 men, filled with the Spirit, can turn the entire known world upside down in one generation, and yet in just one city, we can have 120 churches claiming they possess the very same infilling, and those in the city not know or even care that they are there?" I have to agree.

Right now we are the dry bones but praise God, we are moving into the "Get it nailed down who we really are on the inside" phase. It will increase more and more as saints awake and light their lamps, but the day approaches when we will witness.... and be a part of....the church of saints made free indeed, and our joy will draw all men unto Him who truly love the light.

That day is not yet here, but it is firmly circled on God's calendar. I promise that on that day we will walk in full agreement. Until then, may God lead us both into all truth, amen? I love you brother.

Blessings,

Gids
 
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I would suspect this is where all the cards are placed on the table, lol. I have come to believe that what we call being filled with the Spirit as evidence by tongues is simply not true. There is plenty of scriptures on both sides of the argument, that is for sure, but I base my stand simply on the lack of fruit that has sprung up on the vine of the charismatic church as a whole.

This hurts my heart to say it, because I have been part of a charismatic fellowship as a younger christian as far back as the Jesus movement and Keith Green. Then it was ministers of the traditional denominations, choosing to leave (or be thrust out) in order to follow their heart. Charismatic fellowships popped up all over. No more organs and somber services. Guitars and tambourines, instead. No more stuffy suits. Blue jeans and sandals, baby. I truly thought we were onto something amazing, as you do now.

Oh, it started out amazing, but over the years, we have come full circle. In the end, all we did is make a new denomination! And then the craziness followed.... prosperity, suave, well groomed preachers milking the flock, personality cults, gold dust, barking like dogs, being pushing down ...well, we called it being slain in the Spirit, right? Is it any wonder the rest of Christianity didn't follow the path we have blazed?

Mind you, I am not saying there is no truth to be found there, but it caters to emotional excesses, not sound doctrine. Have we experienced what they did on the day of Pentecost? No way. That is coming when the cry goes forth, "Live, bones, live".

Leonard Ravenhill once asked "Can you explain to me how 120 men, filled with the Spirit, can turn the entire known world upside down in one generation, and yet in just one city, we can have 120 churches claiming they possess the very same infilling, and those in the city not know or even care that they are there?" I have to agree.

Right now we are the dry bones but praise God, we are moving into the "Get it nailed down who we really are on the inside" phase. It will increase more and more as saints awake and light their lamps, but the day approaches when we will witness.... and be a part of....the church of saints made free indeed, and our joy will draw all men unto Him who truly love the light.

That day is not yet here, but it is firmly circled on God's calendar. I promise that on that day we will walk in full agreement. Until then, may God lead us both into all truth, amen? I love you brother.

Blessings,

Gids
I dont attend any denomination .
And that day is Here the moment we recieve the Holy Spirit.
We dont cancell scripture simply because
Some misuse the things of the Spirit.
We come out from among them and follow JESUS.
We dont become unbelieving cessationists..
Tongues Is for sure a scriptural sign someone has recieved..
Fruit is a scriptural sign some one is living in obedience...
Fruits of the Holy spirit are his fruits in us .
The fruit We are to produce is the fruit of multiplication.. To become More of what we are via our faith..via what we do when we sincerely believe...
What did jesus say ?
Why do you callme Lord , but do not Do what i say.
 
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LOL, I think you have posted this in the past, my dear friend.

If an unbiased observer looked at the direction of the world, with no religious leanings influencing his thoughts, I firmly believe that he would conclude we are in the death thralls of man's time on earth.

Our planet is groaning with what we have done it it and to God's creation on it.

Evil has reached a fever pitch. We hear and see things that we could not even conceive of fifty years ago. Our bushel basket brand of Christianity that we offer young people is losing the war with the pleasures that this world has to offer them.

Our well oiled Christian machine relentlessly cranks out offerings to those in the world, and unless religion is their thing, they want nothing to do with what we now are displaying of God to them. Ouch.

The population of the world is reaching critical mass, and by 2050 will reach 16 BILLION, should we last that long, even as resources are running out.

One would think that loneliness would be a thing of the past with all those people, but it. has only increased as we have become just little cogs in a big pointless wheel. Sadly, this is very apparent even in our churches.

Resources are running out, and science, whom we have trusted to get us our of our mess we have made, are the very ones making bigger messes.

The super rich are getting super richer and the middle class is being pushed down into upper lower class status.

And most importantly, the church, and yes, here I include both protestant and Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, have settled into a sea of lukewarm, passionless head belief in the truth but with hearts cold towards God and warm toward the things in this life, things about to be incinerated.

But beyond those obvious things, yes, God has in no uncertain terms told me our day is fast approaching. I am just a watchman on the wall, encouraging His people to believe the fullness of what Christ has done for them, and to warn them that the darkness on the horizon is on its way.

But I do not want any to simply take my word for it. Ask God, but do so with a single eye. A double minded man will be unable to discern the times.

I pray this helps.

Blessings, dear friend

Gids



I could spend much more time


"That day is finally arriving"

"The harvest is in sight"

"We are about to be joyfully amazed"

Where is your evidence for these claims? Personal revelations? If so, have not people been saying these same things for centuries?

I hate to crash your party here. I think both you guys need a re-assessment of what you think is happening in the world.
I'll start with this. A billion people came to Christ in the last 50 years. 100,000+ a day for the last decade.
This phenomena shows no signs of slowing down. more than 1/4 of the worlds population claim Christianity now. If a billion of them are real Christians that makes 1/7th of the worlds population Christians.
The population of the world is reaching critical mass, and by 2050 will reach 16 BILLION, should we last that long, even as resources are running out.
Please look up the stats on the net. The world is on a fast track to a depopulation crises. It takes 2.1 children per woman for the population to grow. China 1.5, Russia 1.2, Europe 1.4, India 2.1 and falling. Southern and Central America 2.1 and falling. Native USA 1.7, with legal and illegal migrant population 2.2. The trend in all the rest of the world is downward. Japan will go from 127 million to 100 million by 2050. Japans population shrank by 400,000 people last year. The only nation bucking this trend thus far is Israel.

As far as the rest of your stuff. The world is NOT getting worse and worse and poverty is NOT growing but the opposite is happening. I could list it all myself but I'll just let this guy point out the rest of the stats.
 
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I hate to crash your party here. I think both you guys need a re-assessment of what you think is happening in the world.
I'll start with this. A billion people came to Christ in the last 50 years. 100,000+ a day for the last decade.
This phenomena shows no signs of slowing down. more than 1/4 of the worlds population claim Christianity now. If a billion of them are real Christians that makes 1/7th of the worlds population Christians.

Please look up the stats on the net. The world is on a fast track to a depopulation crises. It takes 2.1 children per woman for the population to grow. China 1.5, Russia 1.2, Europe 1.4, India 2.1 and falling. Southern and Central America 2.1 and falling. Native USA 1.7, with legal and illegal migrant population 2.2. The trend in all the rest of the world is downward. Japan will go from 127 million to 100 million by 2050. Japans population shrank by 400,000 people last year. The only nation bucking this trend thus far is Israel.

As far as the rest of your stuff. The world is NOT getting worse and worse and poverty is NOT growing but the opposite is happening. I could list it all myself but I'll just let this guy point out the rest of the stats.
Brother, no party crashed here. Everyone had a right to their opinion, amen?

Thanks for your input. All I know is that I have walked for 38 years as a Christian trapped in Romans 7, with sin choking the life out of me and with self still firmly sitting on the throne, and then 12 years in the "free indeed" Jesus actually promised us, where He sits firmly on my throne and keeps me from falling back into sin as I trust Him to do as He plainly has promised. My humble opinion? The new wine is better!

People get really upset when I use the L word (Laodecia), but we fit the description to a T, especially here in the West. The church, even if it is growing, is asleep at the wheel, going through the motions, divided, carnal, worldly, with sins big and small nipping at their heels. That is the sad truth , though many will get rankled by it.

Now, we can either pull out our standard Laodecian response, and deny we need anything else from God, or, as the darkness increases and the temptations grow ever stronger, we can admit that though He may be near in our mouths, our hearts are far from Him.

One thing is certain, we are all entering our valley of decision, where we actually choose who will reign over us... us, as carnal Christians still walking in their old man, or Him in us, as Christians who are dead to sin walking in their new natures, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil

This is a sure statement and we can take it to the bank. To any who can turn away from their self love and cry out to Him to do as He had clearly promised to us, to set us free indeed from the power of darkness, no matter how weak they are or how bound they may be, their God will not fail to rescue them and fill them with Himself.

But we also need to also hear the opposite. To any who refuse, and instead say "The old is better", a shaking is fast approaching on the horizon. Those who dig in their heels and hold onto their self life, no matter how wrapped they may be in in religious traditions of choice, thinking God is pleased with them in their going-through-the motions Christianity, their foolishness will soon be revealed.

Oh, we can continue to disobey Him and trust that grace allows us to sin just a little bit because "After all, we are only human, right?", but unless we repent and give God US, access to ALL the rooms of our hearts, then weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is in our future.

But as I stated, we have free wills. Right now, we are free to choose. But know this. Not making the choice is making the choice,

blessings,

Gideon
 
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I dont attend any denomination .
And that day is Here the moment we recieve the Holy Spirit.
We dont cancell scripture simply because
Some misuse the things of the Spirit.
We come out from among them and follow JESUS.
We dont become unbelieving cessationists..
Tongues Is for sure a scriptural sign someone has recieved..
Fruit is a scriptural sign some one is living in obedience...
Fruits of the Holy spirit are his fruits in us .
The fruit We are to produce is the fruit of multiplication.. To become More of what we are via our faith..via what we do when we sincerely believe...
What did jesus say ?
Why do you callme Lord , but do not Do what i say.
Brother, you know I love you. Let us walk in peace separately until such a time as God moves one of us to change. Amen?

blessings,

Gids
 
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Brother, no party crashed here. Everyone had a right to their opinion, amen?

Thanks for your input. All I know is that I have walked for 38 years as a Christian trapped in Romans 7, with sin choking the life out of me and with self still firmly sitting on the throne, and then 12 years in the "free indeed" Jesus actually promised us, where He sits firmly on my throne and keeps me from falling back into sin as I trust Him to do as He plainly has promised. My humble opinion? The new wine is better!

People get really upset when I use the L word (Laodecia), but we fit the description to a T, especially here in the West. The church, even if it is growing, is asleep at the wheel, going through the motions, divided, carnal, worldly, with sins big and small nipping at their heels. That is the sad truth , though many will get rankled by it.

Now, we can either pull out our standard Laodecian response, and deny we need anything else from God, or, as the darkness increases and the temptations grow ever stronger, we can admit that though He may be near in our mouths, our hearts are far from Him.

One thing is certain, we are all entering our valley of decision, where we actually choose who will reign over us... us, as carnal Christians still walking in their old man, or Him in us, as Christians who are dead to sin walking in their new natures, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil

This is a sure statement and we can take it to the bank. To any who can turn away from their self love and cry out to Him to do as He had clearly promised to us, to set us free indeed from the power of darkness, no matter how weak they are or how bound they may be, their God will not fail to rescue them and fill them with Himself.

But we also need to also hear the opposite. To any who refuse, and instead say "The old is better", a shaking is fast approaching on the horizon. Those who dig in their heels and hold onto their self life, no matter how wrapped they may be in in religious traditions of choice, thinking God is pleased with them in their going-through-the motions Christianity, their foolishness will soon be revealed.

Oh, we can continue to disobey Him and trust that grace allows us to sin just a little bit because "After all, we are only human, right?", but unless we repent and give God US, access to ALL the rooms of our hearts, then weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth is in our future.

But as I stated, we have free wills. Right now, we are free to choose. But know this. Not making the choice is making the choice,

blessings,

Gideon
Well I agree with that. The kingdom of God and its ever growing influnce in the world is bigger than the problems western churches are facing though.
 
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Well I agree with that. The kingdom of God and its ever growing influnce in the world is bigger than the problems western churches are facing though.
Yes, but we are the Western church. Where are the voices raised seeking God to save us from our lukewarmness?

Each is simply thinking, "Well, I am doing fine." I suspect they have never heard the scripture that says that each looked after his own house but no one looked after the house of the Lord.

Should not our hearts be burdened and even moreso if we are walking as close to God as we think?

blessings,

Gids
 
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