Racism among Evangelicals

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I have never heard any liberal ever express an opinion like that in the nearly 30 years I've been involved in social justice and political activism. Not once. I think it's kind of amusing to see some conservative insist that liberals all believe the same things. I guess liberals should be more like the other side of the political realm and live in an echo chamber where they "yes man" each other.
Me either, and it sounds like both of us spend a lot of time around liberal activists, so we know. It’s a caricature, and a straw man created by people who don’t really spend time with people on the “other side.”
 
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I don't know how it is that you know what every liberal thinks, but I certainly have heard liberals say things very similar to what you are claiming "no liberal" believes. Those didn't happen to deal with Band-Aids but were supposed by them to be about race or racism although the events had nothing to do with race.
I’ve involved in liberal and leftist politics and activism for many years, and led trainings and discussions on race. I have neither heard or read anyone seriously say anything like what the other poster quoted. It’s the type of thing conservatives make up about liberals. Sure, maybe there is some crazy conspiracy theorist out there who is paranoid and delusional and said that, but that would be the crazy talking, not the liberal.

Why don’t you post a quote or two of what you’ve heard that’s similar.
 
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You do understand the example I gave, even though taken from an actual conversation with a liberal feminist, was an example to illustrate a broader point. Therefore yes, my description has a solid basis in reality because liberals do tend to filter everything through the prism of race first and logic a far distant twenty-fifth or twenty-sixth.
Liberals see the standard issue color of a band-aid and immediately envision a group of evil white men sitting around a large rectangular table all smoking cigars laughing and snorting over how they are going to stick it to all minorities with the color of a band-aid because racism. Because they hate all minorities and revel in their hate.

Just to clarify, you heard a liberal say this? Specifically? Not that the color of a bandaid demonstrates that the dominant culture is white, but that a group of evil white men smoking cigars decided to make bandaids white in order to stick it to minorities? Because I’m not buying it, unless that person was mentally ill.
 
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I’ve involved in liberal and leftist politics and activism for many years, and led trainings and discussions on race. I have neither heard or read anyone seriously say anything like what the other poster quoted. It’s the type of thing conservatives make up about liberals.

Well, I have heard it. I have already attested to that. Plus, we have another poster saying she has heard it, too.

You replied that her statement was a "joke" and, further, said that "no liberal" believes what was reported there, although how you could know that I am not sure.

So if you have not heard such comments yourself, you are forgiven; but it does happen and not just once in the proverbial blue moon.
 
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Well, I have heard it. I have already attested to that. Plus, we have another poster saying she has heard it, too.

You replied that her statement was a "joke" and, further, said that "no liberal" believes what was reported there, although how you could know that I am not sure.

So if you have not heard such comments yourself, you are forgiven; but it does happen and not just once in the proverbial blue moon.
Can you give me an example?
 
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Actually one time I read about a black man sterotyping a white man who had a similar job, but the target was not offended by it. IIRC the comment was, "(Player name) is the NFL's best white running back." He said that at a time when the NFL had less than five white running backs. This is reverse racism because a big majority of professional athletes are black. Could it sometimes be what job black people apply for and end up getting?
Are any of the posters who think racism is a problem for Evangelicals actually Evangelicals? I went to Evangelical churches in America from 1981-1990 and graduated from an Evangelical seminary. I did not see any overt racism. Nor did I hear any overtly racist comments.

There is a lot of discussion about what liberals really say, but how about giving some credence to what Evangelicals really say and do?
 
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Because whites have benefitted tremendously from systemic racism against non-whites. And whites don’t have a list of derogatory stereotypes we are up against in seeking employment, justice, due process, and political power. We also have more wealth as a result of privilege both current and handed down generationally. Since most people in positions of power are white, white people do not need to fear racism causing us to not get a job or a promotion.
I see many minorities who are better off than me, so im not seeing evidence for your assertion. Not in my life anyway.
 
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I see many minorities who are better off than me, so im not seeing evidence for your assertion. Not in my life anyway.

This statement would be more meaningful if you give us some information about where you live and work and what type of work you do. What is the apples to apples comparison?
 
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I see many minorities who are better off than me, so im not seeing evidence for your assertion. Not in my life anyway.
I didn’t assert that no minorities are better off than white people. So what do you mean?
 
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Why is that relevant? My word means nothing?

Where you live and work could be completely different from the norm. Maybe your type of job is one that usually does not have obstacles many black people face for all I know. Your words mean something but it would mean more with a few specific details.
 
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Your description of what liberals think about how band aid colors are chosen has no basis in reality. No one thinks that.

He knows it, too. He's just punching the right-wing race card.
 
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Where you live and work could be completely different from the norm. Maybe your type of job is one that usually does not have obstacles many black people face for all I know. Your words mean something but it would mean more with a few specific details.
No, there are many minorities who have more than many whites i know. Your assertion that all whites have benefited from systematic racism is untrue, and stems from ignorance about whites and the challenges they face. Blaming whitey for everything is getting old.
 
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No, there are many minorities who have more than many whites i know. Your assertion that all whites have benefited from systematic racism is untrue, and stems from ignorance about whites and the challenges they face. Blaming whitey for everything is getting old.
We’re not just talking about wealth here.
 
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Are any of the posters who think racism is a problem for Evangelicals actually Evangelicals? I went to Evangelical churches in America from 1981-1990 and graduated from an Evangelical seminary. I did not see any overt racism. Nor did I hear any overtly racist comments.

There is a lot of discussion about what liberals really say, but how about giving some credence to what Evangelicals really say and do?
So covert racism is OK? People got smart about that, take it from Lee Atwater:

“You start out in 1954 by saying, “N——, n—-, n——.” By 1968 you can’t say “n——”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N___, n____.”
 
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