Bernie Sanders Calls for Worker-Ownership of Means of Production

[dogs4thewin]

What's your evidence for that?

Common sense. It is bias based on the people who actually RESPONDED to the poll. For example, most of the time when I am asked in polls I simply hang up. Therefore I am not shown on the results.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Common sense. It is bias based on the people who actually RESPONDED to the poll. For example, most of the time when I am asked in polls I simply hang up. Therefore I am not shown on the results.

Scientifically, polls are not biased in that way. A good poll is done using methods to achieve a truly random sample and then they use weighting and other methods to avoid bias. A poll that's biased would be so because it was not done correctly. A poll that was done correctly will not reflect any bias.

Common sense can't determine bias in a poll - only a scientific evaluation of the poll can. So, to say that you're using common sense to believe that all polls are biased is not correct when you look at the science of polling. And most certainly they're not biased based on the responses and who responds as this is addressed by the science of the polling.

 

[Tanj]

To clarify, Bernie Sanders just made Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto a center point of his campaign, and you guys are arguing the value of polls.

Outstanding.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

To clarify, Bernie Sanders just made Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto a center point of his campaign, and you guys are arguing the value of polls.

Outstanding.

Oh well...my thread. You're under no obligation to read or respond to it.

 

[Tanj]

Oh well...my thread. You're under no obligation to read or respond to it.

True, I did both by choice...and that also answers the question "could this thread be even more derailed than it is now?" and "Has there ever been a thread that was so derailed by its own OP?"

 

[ArmenianJohn]

True, I did both by choice...and that also answers the question "could this thread be even more derailed than it is now?" and "Has there ever been a thread that was so derailed by its own OP?"

It's really not that big a deal but I'm sorry you're so bothered by it. Feel free to continue if it helps you, though.

One other thought... There's nothing prohibiting you from getting the thread back on track by addressing the OP if you really want to - the derailing posts wouldn't matter or affect if you did that.

 

[KCfromNC]

We saw last year how reliable polls are.

Yes, they correctly predicted the blue wave in 2018.

 

[NotreDame]

In Appeal to Moderates, Bernie Calls for Worker-Ownership of Means of Production

Bernie just keeps bringing what the people want and that's why he will be our next president. Bernie 2020!!!!

The people want the government to dictate to some private entities, here corporations, to contribute stock to a fund controlled by its employees, and allocate a portion of the seats on the board of directors?

The U.S. government does not and should not have such authority. No government should have this much authority over privately owned entities.

 

[hislegacy]

Thank goodness the vast majority of Americans will not fall for this.

From the link

Sanders said his campaign is working on a plan to require large businesses to regularly contribute a portion of their stocks to a fund controlled by employees, which would pay out a regular dividend to the workers. Some models of this fund increase employees’ ownership stake in the company, making the workers a powerful voting shareholder. The idea is in its formative stages and a spokesman did not share further details.​

First, forced contributions? Enough said

Second, there are a whole lot of big corporations that have profit sharing already. If the employees want to be stock holders, they can purchase stock. Just like everyone else.

This man should never, and will never be President.

 

[KCfromNC]

The people want the government to dictate to some private entities, here corporations, to contribute stock to a fund controlled by its employees, and allocate a portion of the seats on the board of directors?

The U.S. government does not and should not have such authority. No government should have this much authority over privately owned entities.

Why not? There are already a number of laws which corporations have to follow. I mean, I'm not sure this is the best plan, but it isn't as if it is the wild west now.

 

[NotreDame]

Why not? There are already a number of laws which corporations have to follow. I mean, I'm not sure this is the best plan, but it isn't as if it is the wild west now.

Laws regulating corporations for public health and safety makes perfect sense. Bernie’s proposal doesn’t fall in such a category. Bernie’s proposal dictates to a private entity what the private entity must do with its own private property, specifically how to allocate its stocks. Stocks are private property. Yes, they may be regulated to preclude fraud, deception, etcetera, but the discretion of who to offer stocks to and how much is and should be completely within the private property rights of the property owner.

Who sits on the board of directors is, once again, and should be, within the discretion of the private entity. Private entities do not and should not shed their freedom to decide who runs the business and makes business decisions.

There is no express or implied power in the Constitution vesting to the federal government the power to enact Bernie’s proposal.

 

[hislegacy]

To clarify, Bernie Sanders just made Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto a center point of his campaign, and you guys are arguing the value of polls.

Outstanding.

QFT

 

[Pommer]

There is no express or implied power in the Constitution vesting to the federal government the power to enact Bernie’s proposal.

Right.
And once the case went to SCOTUS, where it’d get 9-0, for the poor, downtrodden, “corporate citizens”.

The necessary Constitutional Amendment fight might get us into “Civil War II:This Time the SOUTH has the Guns”!

 

[KCfromNC]

Laws regulating corporations for public health and safety makes perfect sense. Bernie’s proposal doesn’t fall in such a category. Bernie’s proposal dictates to a private entity what the private entity must do with its own private property, specifically how to allocate its stocks. Stocks are private property. Yes, they may be regulated to preclude fraud, deception, etcetera, but the discretion of who to offer stocks to and how much is and should be completely within the private property rights of the property owner.

Great you have this opinion, but it isn't universal. Let's see how the people who grant corporations their existence feel about the situation.

There is no express or implied power in the Constitution vesting to the federal government the power to enact Bernie’s proposal.

Interstate commerce?

 

[NotreDame]

Great you have this opinion, but it isn't universal. Let's see how the people who grant corporations their existence feel about the situation.



Interstate commerce?

Great you have this opinion, but it isn't universal. Let's see how the people who grant corporations their existence feel about the situation.

So what? The issue is not the popularity of an opinion, my dear Crito.

Interstate commerce?

Nope. Because Bernie's proposal is not regulating "commerce."

 

[NotreDame]

Right.
And once the case went to SCOTUS, where it’d get 9-0, for the poor, downtrodden, “corporate citizens”.

The necessary Constitutional Amendment fight might get us into “Civil War II:This Time the SOUTH has the Guns”!

So, to assist the poor requires this type of government management of private corporations?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Laws regulating corporations for public health and safety makes perfect sense. Bernie’s proposal doesn’t fall in such a category. Bernie’s proposal dictates to a private entity what the private entity must do with its own private property, specifically how to allocate its stocks. Stocks are private property. Yes, they may be regulated to preclude fraud, deception, etcetera, but the discretion of who to offer stocks to and how much is and should be completely within the private property rights of the property owner.

eh... It doesn’t take much to imagination a public benefit to forcing companies to give a stake and a greater voice to employees.

Corporate revenues are their property and minimum wage laws step on those property rights, as do taxes and probably a number of other things I’m not thinking of.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

In Appeal to Moderates, Bernie Calls for Worker-Ownership of Means of Production

Bernie just keeps bringing what the people want...

Yeah, Barrabas!

Bernie Sanders is the L. Ron Hubbard of politics, he enjoys tweaking followers of his commie claptrap.

 

[Pommer]

So, to assist the poor requires this type of government management of private corporations?

No.

 

[KCfromNC]

Nope. Because Bernie's proposal is not regulating "commerce."

Corporations don't engage in commerce? Interesting.