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These are cats: They are each distinct species.
Domestic cat
Leopard
Clouded leopard
Snow Leopard
Tiger
Lion
Jaguar
Cheetah
Cougar
Jaguarundi
Marbled cat
Asian golden cat
Pallas's cat
Rusty-spotted cat
Leopard cat
Fishing cat
Flat-headed cat
Sunda leopard cat
Jungle cat
Black-footed cat
Sand cat
Chinese mountain cat
African wildcat
European wildcat
African golden cat
Pampas cat
Andean mountain cat
Geoffroy's cat
Bay cat
Serval
Caracal
Bobcat
Canada Lynx
Eurasian Lynx
Iberian Lynx
Ocelot
Margay
Kodkod
Oncilla
Southern tigrina
Most Creationists don't seem to realize their "kind" on the Ark claim requires hyperevolution and new species appearing every few weeks. And that's without the biogeography proplem.
 
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According to how MAN breaks the species down. All I am saying is, whether you agree or not, like it or not... (I don't care).... the language the bible was written in does NOT break it down like that.
Does the Bible say anything about cats at all? To my knowledge, which I stand ready to have corrected, the Bible does not specify that there is a "kind" called cats. That means the existence of more than two dozen species is not in conflict with the Bible.
 
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When God is not included in ANY possible outcome, on purpose... then science becomes an (anti) religion of it's own.
This is really asinine. No recipie in my cookbook includes God. So by your "logic" cooking is an "(anti) religion". Do people not realize how silly these arguments are?
 
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Because of your inability to respect those who don't agree with you...

You don’t want respect, you want people to not point out the problems in your arguments.

you are on ignore and I will not interact with you again.

I don’t care. It won’t stop me from pointing out where your wrong.


How Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds

“A bird didn’t just evolve from a T. rex overnight, but rather the classic features of birds evolved one by one; first bipedal locomotion, then feathers, then a wishbone, then more complex feathers that look like quill-pen feathers, then wings,” Brusatte said. “The end result is a relatively seamless transition between dinosaurs and birds, so much so that you can’t just draw an easy line between these two groups.”

Do you realize how many dinosaurs there were? Nowhere in that article does it say ALL dinosaurs evolved into birds.
 
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According to how MAN breaks the species down. All I am saying is, whether you agree or not, like it or not... (I don't care).... the language the bible was written in does NOT break it down like that.

How does it break it down? Where does it say anything like that?
 
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Because of your inability to respect those who don't agree with you... you are on ignore and I will not interact with you again. There are others here, in this thread, who don't agree with me... but who were at least nice. Anyway... you're wrong, here is just ONE example I could share.

How Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds

“A bird didn’t just evolve from a T. rex overnight, but rather the classic features of birds evolved one by one; first bipedal locomotion, then feathers, then a wishbone, then more complex feathers that look like quill-pen feathers, then wings,” Brusatte said. “The end result is a relatively seamless transition between dinosaurs and birds, so much so that you can’t just draw an easy line between these two groups.”
For crying out loud, I just read the link.

Modern birds descended from a group of two-legged dinosaurs known as theropods, whose members include the towering Tyrannosaurus rex and the smaller velociraptors.

That was in the FIRST PARAGRAPH. Just like I told you, no one said ALL dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Shows how much you care about the truth.
 
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Does the Bible say anything about cats at all? To my knowledge, which I stand ready to have corrected, the Bible does not specify that there is a "kind" called cats. That means the existence of more than two dozen species is not in conflict with the Bible.
No, not that I am aware of. What it does is break things down like this.... "all cattle after their kind." Now included in "cattle" (behêmâh) you are looking at "any four footed animal, which may be used for labor, food or sport; distinguished from fowls, insects, fishes and man; as beasts of burden, beasts of the chase, beasts of the forest. It is usually applied to large animals." Generally, a behêmâh is an animal the size of a goat through a T Rex.... and if we want to leave the dino's off, an elephant. So with the elephant... it isn't broken down to an Asian elephant as compared to an African bush elephant.... an elephant is simply a behêmâh and no distinction is made that gets more detailed in that sense. It isn't until the mid-19th century that we began to break them down even further.

Because of this, I just believe there were 2 pairs of cats, 7 pairs of deer (unclean/clean) and the mutations we see beyond that are because of geography, habitat, environmental factors, and time. And again... if I am wrong I am wrong. No big deal. :)
 
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Mark Armitage's "tricerotops" horn is from a 30,000 year old bison.



Where did all the heat that generated go?

I've been in contact with one the guy who pulled it from the earth...It's not a bison horn. the remains didn't come from permafrost.

The evos here make it sound as if only several..if any fossils containing biomaterial have been found. In other words, there is much, much more than the triceratop horn.


If you visit the site you can see this list.

Peer-reviewed journal articles on surviving endogenous biological material including tissue and DNA.
Researchers: Brian Thomas, Institute for Creation Research icr.org
Bob Enyart, Real Science Radio rsr.org
# Year Description Age Authors, Publication, etc.
99 2018 Starch (a polysaccharide) in a forest deposit 280MY Liu et al. Fossil starch reveals early plant–animal mutualism, Geology
98 2017 Sea turtle muscle protein, beta-keratin, pigment 54MY Lindgren, Schweitzer et al. Juvenile sea turtle, Nature: Scientific Reports
97 2017 Bird preening (sebaceous) gland still containing oil 48MY O'Reilly et al. Uropygial gland lipids in 48MY-old bird, Proc. Royal Soc. B
96 2017 Dinosaur eggshell color by protoporphyrin/biliverdin 66MY Wiemann et al. Dinosaur egg color: oviraptors laid blue-green eggs, PeerJ
95 2017 Ginkgo leaves "full of organic molecules" 200MY Vajda et al. Molecular signatures of leaves unexpected, Nature Eco & Evol
94 2017 Melanin in nodosaurus dino (and other biologicals) 112MY Brown et al. Exceptionally preserved armored dinosaur, Current Biology
93 2017 Tick-related mammalian "red blood cells" 20-45MY Poinar, Tick erythrocytes reveal piroplasms, Journal of Medical Entomology
92 2017 Nothosaurus coracoid vessel, hydroxyproline ~225MY Surmik et al. Intraosseous fossilized middle Triassic soft tissue, Sci of Nature
91 2017 Reconfirmation of B. canadensis dinosaur collagen 80MY Schroeter, Schweitzer et al. Expansion of sequence, J of Proteome Research
90 2017 Lufengosaurus rib collagen 195MY Lee et al. Collagen in an early Jurassic sauropod, Nature Communications
89 2016 Proteinaceous amide groups in chert 1.88GY Alleon, Bernard et al. Molecular preservation of 1.88 Ga... organic..., Nature
88 2016 Early Triassic reptile blood vessels, etc. 247MY Surmik et al. Organic Matter from Triassic Reptile, PLoS ONE
87 2016 Psittacosaurus dinosaur skin now also has keratin 130MY Vinther et al. Camouflage in an Ornithischian dinosaur, Current Biology
86 2016 Beta-keratin in oviraptor dinosaur claw 75MY Moyer, Schweitzer et al. The claw of nesting dinosaur, Proc Royal Society B
85 2015 Hadrosaur "blood vessels from Brachylophosaurus" 80MY Cleland, Schweitzer et al. Blood vessels characterization, J Proteome Res
84 2015 Dinosaur collagen and red blood cells 75MY Bertazzo, et al. Fibres and cellular structures..., Nature Communications
83 2015 Dinosaur melanosomes and pigment 150MY Lindgren et al. Molecular composition of Jurassic feathers, Scientific Reports
82 2015 A pterosaur's orange claw material 150MY Hone et al. A specimen of Rhamphorhynchus with soft tissue, PeerJ
81 2014 Precambrian metazoans (multicellular animals) 530MY Moczydłowska, et al. Biogeochemisty of Ediacaran Metozoa, J of Paleontology
80 2014 Bird, marine reptile, mosasaur, icthyosaur pigments 55-190MY Edwards et al. Pigments through time [survey], Pigment Cell Melanoma Res.
79 2014 Turtle, mosasaur, and icthyosaur eumelanin 55-190MY Lindren et al. Pigmentation... melanism in extinct marine reptiles, Nature
78 2014 Gastropod egg capsule chitin 200MY Wysokowski et al. Chitin in 200-million-year-old egg capsules, Paleobiology
77 2014 Extinct aquatic bird Gansus feather melanosomes ~125MY Moyer, Schweitzer et al. Melanosomes or Microbes, Scientific Reports
76 2013 Triceratops osteocytes; soft sheets of fibrillar bone 65MY Armitage, Anderson, Soft sheets of fibrillar bone from horn, Acta Histochemica
75 2013 Vauxia sea sponge chitin 505MY Ehrlich et al. 505-million-year old chitin in Vauxia gracilenta, Scientific Reports
74 2013 Lufengosaurus embryo bone protein 190MY Reisz, Embryology of early Jurassic dino with evidence of organic... Nature
73 2013 Signature of blood in mosquito gut 46MY Greenwalt et al. Hemoglobin-derived porphyrins. Proc. Nat'l Acad of Sci
72 2013 Dino DNA & proteins actin, tubulin, PHEX, histone 66-80MY Schweitzer et al. Analyses of dino osteocytes support endogenous... Bone
71 2013 Biological material in crinoids 350MY O'Malley et al. Taxon-specific organic molecules, Geology
70 2012 Cuttlefish ink sac 160MY Glass et al. Jurassic period eumelanin pigment, Proc. Nat'l Acad. of Sciences
69 2012 Archaeopteryx black melanin organosulpher residue 150MY Carney et al. Color and nature of Archaeopteryx feather, Nature
68 2012 Jurassic turtle osteocytes 145MY Cadena, Schweitzer, Osteocytes preservation from the Jurassic, Bone
67 2011 Chitin arthropod (scorpion) and eurypterid proteins 417MY Cody et al. Molecular signature of Paleozoic chitin-protein complex, Geology
66 2011 Type 1 collagen in Cretaceous mosasaur humerus ~70MY Lindgren et al. Microspectroscopic evidence of bone proteins, PLoS ONE
65 2011 Endogenous Mississaepia cuttlebone chitin sheets 34MY Weaver et al. Late Eocene cuttlefish B-chitin consistent organics, PLoS ONE
64 2011 Lizard tail skin breakdown products 50MY Edwards et al. Tissue preservation in 50MY-old reptile skin, Proc Royal Soc B
63 2011 Type l collagen in T. rex and hadrosaur dinosaurs 68MY San Antonio, et al, Dinosaur peptides... mech of protein survival, PLoS ONE
62 2011 Bird feather pigment from Confuciusornis sanctus 120MY Wogelius et al. Biomarkers for eumelanin pigment in fossil record, Science
61 2010 Stegosaurus plate keratin ~150MY Christiansen et al. Stegosaur impressions, Swiss Journal of Geosciences
60 2010 Messel feather highly reflective nanostructure 40MY Vinther et al. Structural coloration in a fossil feather, Roy Soc Biology Letters
59 2010 Archaeopteryx feather ***** original chem remains 150MY Bergmann et al. Archaeopteryx feathers & bone chemistry, Proc Nat Acad Sci
58 2010 Sinosauropteryx compsognathid dino melanosomes 125MY Zhang et al. Fossilized melanosomes and the colour of dinos & birds, Nature
57 2010 Hadrosaur biomolecules, collagen & other proteins 80MY Peterson et al. Microbial biofilms [&] soft tissue in archosaurs, PLoS One
56 2010 Psittacosaurus dinosaur skin color 125MY Lingham-Soliar et al. Integument & color of a ceratopsian, Science of Nature
55 4/1/2011 C-14 date of mosasaur (24,600 Yrs) 70MY Lindgren, J. et al, PLoS ONE, 6(4):e19445
54 2010 Mammal hair in amber 100MY Vullo et al. Mammalian hairs in early Cretaceous amber, Science of Nature
53 2009 Hadrosaur vessel proteins, sequenced collagen 80MY Schweitzer et al. Biomolecular... protein sequences of hadrosaur, Science
52 2009 Hadrosaur skin cell structures/macromolecules 66MY Manning et al. Chemistry in a mummified hadrosaur, Proc. Royal Society B
51 2009 Salamander muscle, whole 18MY McNamara et al. Organic... fossil musculature with ultracellular detail, P RS B
 
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50 2008 Feather melanocytes 100MY Vinther et al. The color of fossil feathers, Royal Society Biology Letters
49 2008 Psittacosaurus skin fibers ~125MY Lingham-Soliar, Psittacosaurus complex fibre architecture, Proc Royal Soc B
48 2008 T. rex amino acid sequences 68MY Schweitzer et al. Molecular methods examining..., Comptes Rendus Palevol
47 2008 Osteocyte (bone cells) 5MY Bell et al, Mineralized osteocyte: a living fossil, American Journal of Physics
46 2007 Tyrannosaurus rex collagen 68MY Schweitzer et al. T. rex soft tissue suggests the presence of protein, Science
45 2007 Triceratops blood vessels, osteocytes 66MY Schweitzer, Horner et al. Cellular preservation from Cretaceous, Proc RS B
44 2007 T. rex proteins sequenced 68MY Asara, Schweitzer et al. Mastodon & T. rex protein sequences, Science
43 2007 T. rex proteinaceous materials, sequenced collagen 40-150MY Smejkal, Schweitzer, Will tech. enable dino proteomics, Exp Rev Proteomics
42 2006 Frog bone marrow 10MY McNamara et al. Organic preservation of amphibian bone marrow, Geology
41 2005 Sauropod egg shell ovalbumin protein ~75MY Schweitzer et al. Molecular preservation in dinosaur eggshells, P Roy Soc B
40 2005 Avian bone collagen implying "molecular integrity" ~75MY Avci, Schweitzer et al. Bone collagen from late Cretaceous, Langmuir
39 2005 Dinosaurian cellular and sub-cellular preservation ~68MY Wittmeyer, Schweitzer, Dino vessels and cells in fossils, J Vert. Paleontology
38 2005 T. rex vessels, cells, soft flexible connective tissue 68MY Schweitzer, Horner et al. T. rex soft-tissue vessels, cellular preserv., Science
37 2004 Isolated non-spore-forming bacteria living in amber 120MY Greenblatt et al. Micrococcus luteus - Survival in Amber, Microbial Ecology
36 2003 Skin fibers 130MY E. Frey et al., Palaeobiology of Pterosaurs, Geological Society Pubication
35 2003 Iguanodon dinosaur osteocalcin protein 120MY Embery et al. Proteinaceous material in Iguanodon bone, Connective Tissue R
34 2002 Metasequoia cellulose (with no O18) 34-56MY Jahren, Sternberg, Oxygen isootopes in Arctic fossil wood, GSA Today
33 2001 Tyrannosaur rex collagen SEM scans 65MY Armitage, Mummified collagen fibers in fossil T. rex bone, CRS Quarterly
32 2000 Live bacteria from halite [salt] deposit 250MY Vreeland et al. Isolation of halotolerant bacterium from salt crystal, Nature
31 2000 Non-collagen dinosaur proteinaceous extracts 125MY Embery et al. Non-collagenous proteins from dinosaur Iguanodon, Conn Tis R
30 1999 Alvarezsaurus dinosaur β-keratin protein ~100MY Schweitzer et al. Beta-keratin immunological reactivity, J Exper. Zoology
29 1999 Similar live bacteria strains from separate rock salts 250MY Stan-Lotter et al. Halococcus in Permo-Triassic salt deposits, Microbiology
28 1999 Keratin in Madagascar bird 65MY Schweitzer et al. Immunoreactivity in Cretaceous bird, J. of Vert. Paleontology
27 1998 Tarbosaurus (T. rex) blood vessels 80MY Pawlicki et al. Blood vessels and red blood cells in dinosaur, Annals Anatomy
26 1997 T. rex peptides and proteins; likely type 1 collagen ~68MY Schweitzer et al. Biomolecules in Cancellous Bone, J. of Vert. Paleontology
25 1997 Fossil diatom chitin 24MY Stankiewicz et al. Preservation of chitin in 25-million-year-old fossils, Science
24 1997 Heme in Tyrannosaurus rex bone 67MY Schweitzer et al. Heme compounds in dinosaur trabecular bone, PNAS
23 1995 Live bacteria spores from a bee encased in amber 25-40MY Cano and Borucki, Revival of bacterial spores in Dominican amber, Science
22 1994 Unaltered amino acids in amber insects 130MY Bada et al. Insect in amber racemization, Geochemica et Cosmochemica Acta
21 1994 Cretaceous DNA for mitoochondrial cytochrome b 80MY Wooodward et al. DNA sequence from Cretaceous bone fragments, Science
20 1993 Chloroplast tree gene partly sequenced 35-40MY Poinar et al. DNA from an extinct plant, Scientific Correspondence
19 1993 Organic material in T. rex and theropod dinosaurs 65MY+ Ostrom et al. Trophic structure of Creataceous communities, Geology
18 1992 Termite nuclear and mitochondrial DNA sequences 25-30MY DeSalle et al. Oligo-miocene amber termite DNA sequences, Science
17 1992 Osteocalcin in a seismosaur dinosaur bone 150MY Muyzer et al. Preservation of bone protein osteocalcin in dinosaurs, Geology
16 1991 Seismosaurus [now, Diplodocus] vertebra proteins 150MY Gurley et al. Proteins in bone of Seismosaurus, Journal of Protein Chemistry
15 1990 Magnolia leaf chloroplast 820-base DNA sequence 17-20MY Golenberg et al. Chloroplast DNA sequence from Miocene Magnolia, Nature
14 1990 Tyrannosaurus tooth hydroxyproline ~80MY Ostrom et al. High molecular weight material, Adv. in Organic Geochemistry
13 1987 Seven hadrosaurs unfossilized bones 80MY Davies, Duck-billed dinosaurs from the north slope of Alaska, J of Paleont.
12 1985 Metabolic pathways of dinosaur bones 80MY Pawlicki, Metabolic pathways of dino bones Pt. 5, Folia Histochem Cytochem
11 1976 Dinosaur gelatins made from fossil proteins ~100MY Wyckoff et al. Pleistocene and dinosaur gelatins, Comp Biochem Physiology B
10 1976 Repeating sequence of Mollusk shell glycoproteins 80MY Weiner et al. Characterization of 80M-year-old mollusk shell proteins, PNAS
9 1974 Dinosaur proteins and polysaccharides 70MY DeJong et al. Antigenic properties of macromolecules over 70 Myr, Nature
8 1972 Modern (advanced) proteins in ancient fossils ~145MY Schopf, Fossil Proteins "Biochemistry of animal fossils" book review, Science
7 1972 Jurassic collagen, evidence of various proteins ~145MY Wyckoff, The Biochemistry of Animal Fossils, Scientechnica
6 1972 Biological material in saltwater clam shell ? Crenshaw, M. A., Biomineralization Research Reports
5 1968 Collagen from Megalosaurus dinosaur egg shell 166MY Voss-Foucart, Paleoproteins, Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology
4 1968 Intact proteins from half of many bones 150MY Miller, Wyckoff, Proteins in Dinosaur Bones, Proc. Nat'l Acad. of Sciences
3 1966 Collagen & vessels in dinosaur bone 200MY Pawlicki et al. Cells, collagen fibrils and vessels in dinosaur bone, Nature
2 1964 ? ? Kabat, Mayer, Experimental Immunochemistry
1 1954 Devonian alanine, glutamic, & glycine amino acids 360MY Abelson, Paleobiochemistry: Organic contstituents of fossils, Carnegie Inst.
 
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For crying out loud, I just read the link.



That was in the FIRST PARAGRAPH. Just like I told you, no one said ALL dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Shows how much you care about the truth.
Read past the first paragraph. What a joke! But... you are back to ignore. Have a great life.
 
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50 2008 Feather melanocytes 100MY Vinther et al. The color of fossil feathers, Royal Society Biology Letters
49 2008 Psittacosaurus skin fibers ~125MY Lingham-Soliar, Psittacosaurus complex fibre architecture, Proc Royal Soc B
48 2008 T. rex amino acid sequences 68MY Schweitzer et al. Molecular methods examining..., Comptes Rendus Palevol
47 2008 Osteocyte (bone cells) 5MY Bell et al, Mineralized osteocyte: a living fossil, American Journal of Physics
46 2007 Tyrannosaurus rex collagen 68MY Schweitzer et al. T. rex soft tissue suggests the presence of protein, Science
45 2007 Triceratops blood vessels, osteocytes 66MY Schweitzer, Horner et al. Cellular preservation from Cretaceous, Proc RS B
44 2007 T. rex proteins sequenced 68MY Asara, Schweitzer et al. Mastodon & T. rex protein sequences, Science
43 2007 T. rex proteinaceous materials, sequenced collagen 40-150MY Smejkal, Schweitzer, Will tech. enable dino proteomics, Exp Rev Proteomics
42 2006 Frog bone marrow 10MY McNamara et al. Organic preservation of amphibian bone marrow, Geology
41 2005 Sauropod egg shell ovalbumin protein ~75MY Schweitzer et al. Molecular preservation in dinosaur eggshells, P Roy Soc B
40 2005 Avian bone collagen implying "molecular integrity" ~75MY Avci, Schweitzer et al. Bone collagen from late Cretaceous, Langmuir
39 2005 Dinosaurian cellular and sub-cellular preservation ~68MY Wittmeyer, Schweitzer, Dino vessels and cells in fossils, J Vert. Paleontology
38 2005 T. rex vessels, cells, soft flexible connective tissue 68MY Schweitzer, Horner et al. T. rex soft-tissue vessels, cellular preserv., Science
37 2004 Isolated non-spore-forming bacteria living in amber 120MY Greenblatt et al. Micrococcus luteus - Survival in Amber, Microbial Ecology
36 2003 Skin fibers 130MY E. Frey et al., Palaeobiology of Pterosaurs, Geological Society Pubication
35 2003 Iguanodon dinosaur osteocalcin protein 120MY Embery et al. Proteinaceous material in Iguanodon bone, Connective Tissue R
34 2002 Metasequoia cellulose (with no O18) 34-56MY Jahren, Sternberg, Oxygen isootopes in Arctic fossil wood, GSA Today
33 2001 Tyrannosaur rex collagen SEM scans 65MY Armitage, Mummified collagen fibers in fossil T. rex bone, CRS Quarterly
32 2000 Live bacteria from halite [salt] deposit 250MY Vreeland et al. Isolation of halotolerant bacterium from salt crystal, Nature
31 2000 Non-collagen dinosaur proteinaceous extracts 125MY Embery et al. Non-collagenous proteins from dinosaur Iguanodon, Conn Tis R
30 1999 Alvarezsaurus dinosaur β-keratin protein ~100MY Schweitzer et al. Beta-keratin immunological reactivity, J Exper. Zoology
29 1999 Similar live bacteria strains from separate rock salts 250MY Stan-Lotter et al. Halococcus in Permo-Triassic salt deposits, Microbiology
28 1999 Keratin in Madagascar bird 65MY Schweitzer et al. Immunoreactivity in Cretaceous bird, J. of Vert. Paleontology
27 1998 Tarbosaurus (T. rex) blood vessels 80MY Pawlicki et al. Blood vessels and red blood cells in dinosaur, Annals Anatomy
26 1997 T. rex peptides and proteins; likely type 1 collagen ~68MY Schweitzer et al. Biomolecules in Cancellous Bone, J. of Vert. Paleontology
25 1997 Fossil diatom chitin 24MY Stankiewicz et al. Preservation of chitin in 25-million-year-old fossils, Science
24 1997 Heme in Tyrannosaurus rex bone 67MY Schweitzer et al. Heme compounds in dinosaur trabecular bone, PNAS
23 1995 Live bacteria spores from a bee encased in amber 25-40MY Cano and Borucki, Revival of bacterial spores in Dominican amber, Science
22 1994 Unaltered amino acids in amber insects 130MY Bada et al. Insect in amber racemization, Geochemica et Cosmochemica Acta
21 1994 Cretaceous DNA for mitoochondrial cytochrome b 80MY Wooodward et al. DNA sequence from Cretaceous bone fragments, Science
20 1993 Chloroplast tree gene partly sequenced 35-40MY Poinar et al. DNA from an extinct plant, Scientific Correspondence
19 1993 Organic material in T. rex and theropod dinosaurs 65MY+ Ostrom et al. Trophic structure of Creataceous communities, Geology
18 1992 Termite nuclear and mitochondrial DNA sequences 25-30MY DeSalle et al. Oligo-miocene amber termite DNA sequences, Science
17 1992 Osteocalcin in a seismosaur dinosaur bone 150MY Muyzer et al. Preservation of bone protein osteocalcin in dinosaurs, Geology
16 1991 Seismosaurus [now, Diplodocus] vertebra proteins 150MY Gurley et al. Proteins in bone of Seismosaurus, Journal of Protein Chemistry
15 1990 Magnolia leaf chloroplast 820-base DNA sequence 17-20MY Golenberg et al. Chloroplast DNA sequence from Miocene Magnolia, Nature
14 1990 Tyrannosaurus tooth hydroxyproline ~80MY Ostrom et al. High molecular weight material, Adv. in Organic Geochemistry
13 1987 Seven hadrosaurs unfossilized bones 80MY Davies, Duck-billed dinosaurs from the north slope of Alaska, J of Paleont.
12 1985 Metabolic pathways of dinosaur bones 80MY Pawlicki, Metabolic pathways of dino bones Pt. 5, Folia Histochem Cytochem
11 1976 Dinosaur gelatins made from fossil proteins ~100MY Wyckoff et al. Pleistocene and dinosaur gelatins, Comp Biochem Physiology B
10 1976 Repeating sequence of Mollusk shell glycoproteins 80MY Weiner et al. Characterization of 80M-year-old mollusk shell proteins, PNAS
9 1974 Dinosaur proteins and polysaccharides 70MY DeJong et al. Antigenic properties of macromolecules over 70 Myr, Nature
8 1972 Modern (advanced) proteins in ancient fossils ~145MY Schopf, Fossil Proteins "Biochemistry of animal fossils" book review, Science
7 1972 Jurassic collagen, evidence of various proteins ~145MY Wyckoff, The Biochemistry of Animal Fossils, Scientechnica
6 1972 Biological material in saltwater clam shell ? Crenshaw, M. A., Biomineralization Research Reports
5 1968 Collagen from Megalosaurus dinosaur egg shell 166MY Voss-Foucart, Paleoproteins, Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology
4 1968 Intact proteins from half of many bones 150MY Miller, Wyckoff, Proteins in Dinosaur Bones, Proc. Nat'l Acad. of Sciences
3 1966 Collagen & vessels in dinosaur bone 200MY Pawlicki et al. Cells, collagen fibrils and vessels in dinosaur bone, Nature
2 1964 ? ? Kabat, Mayer, Experimental Immunochemistry
1 1954 Devonian alanine, glutamic, & glycine amino acids 360MY Abelson, Paleobiochemistry: Organic contstituents of fossils, Carnegie Inst.

So preservation of soft tissue over long periods of time is not uncommon?
 
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According to how MAN breaks the species down. All I am saying is, whether you agree or not, like it or not... (I don't care).... the language the bible was written in does NOT break it down like that.
In another post you complain about lack of respect shown to you by some other members. I've emboldened a portion of your post here. That appears to show a lack of respect - one might say a total lack of respect - for my views.

This is post #53
Dinosaurs were already warm blooded and we’ve already found ones that had feathers.

Not to mention, no one said all dinosaurs evolved into birds.
You awarded this factual, serious post a "Funny" classification. It is against forum rules to mock a serious post you disagree with in this way. It is disrespectful. Perhaps you were just trading insult for insult. That's also against the rules.

I think you will be granted more respect, if you accord others the same, independent of real or imagined provocation. (One day I hope to attain the same ideal.)
 
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No, not that I am aware of. What it does is break things down like this.... "all cattle after their kind." Now included in "cattle" (behêmâh) you are looking at "any four footed animal, which may be used for labor, food or sport; distinguished from fowls, insects, fishes and man; as beasts of burden, beasts of the chase, beasts of the forest. It is usually applied to large animals." Generally, a behêmâh is an animal the size of a goat through a T Rex.... and if we want to leave the dino's off, an elephant. So with the elephant... it isn't broken down to an Asian elephant as compared to an African bush elephant.... an elephant is simply a behêmâh and no distinction is made that gets more detailed in that sense. It isn't until the mid-19th century that we began to break them down even further.

Because of this, I just believe there were 2 pairs of cats, 7 pairs of deer (unclean/clean) and the mutations we see beyond that are because of geography, habitat, environmental factors, and time. And again... if I am wrong I am wrong. No big deal. :)
As long as you are comfortable having a belief that it contradicted by palaeontology, comparative anatomy, developmental biology, biogeography and genetics then I don't see any problem. You do need to be prepared for the mockery you may encounter when you pitch a literal interpretation of a text written by pastoral nomads a couple of millenia ago against the mass of evidence accumulated by tens of thousands of scientists, many of whom are Christian. Hopefully you won't find that too upsetting.
 
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In another post you complain about lack of respect shown to you by some other members. I've emboldened a portion of your post here. That appears to show a lack of respect - one might say a total lack of respect - for my views.

This is post #53
You awarded this factual, serious post a "Funny" classification. It is against forum rules to mock a serious post you disagree with in this way. It is disrespectful. Perhaps you were just trading insult for insult. That's also against the rules.

I think you will be granted more respect, if you accord others the same, independent of real or imagined provocation. (One day I hope to attain the same ideal.)
My apologies... poor wording on my part. What I mean is, if you believe that the sun is purple and a dog is God... that's your choice, I respect that, I am not going to try to talk you out of it... thus in that sense, 'I don't care.' Bad wording.... I will watch for that again. Now, if you ask me why I don't think the dog is God... then I will share. I am not pushy that way, not like some are.

Regarding the "funny" post. Lasthero and I were also having a private discussion. I don't take anything he says serious, he has been mocking and I reacted.

Tell you all what... I will unwatch this thread, sign off... and not come back for a while. It doesn't matter. I believe in God... I can't answer every question and I am at a point in life where I don't even feel I need to. I have seen Him act in the lives of enough people that I just trust Him. Sorry... that is a low level of thinking, but that is where I am at. Take care.
 
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Regarding the "funny" post. Lasthero and I were also having a private discussion. I don't take anything he says serious, he has been mocking and I reacted.

To be more accurate, you asked a question and you didn’t like the honest answers I gave you.
 
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As long as you are comfortable having a belief that it contradicted by palaeontology, comparative anatomy, developmental biology, biogeography and genetics then I don't see any problem. You do need to be prepared for the mockery you may encounter when you pitch a literal interpretation of a text written by pastoral nomads a couple of millenia ago against the mass of evidence accumulated by tens of thousands of scientists, many of whom are Christian. Hopefully you won't find that too upsetting.
What it contradicts is human reasoning. Again, a point you gloss over.... much of science starts with the premise that God is not a factor. Therefore, without weighing in even that possibility... then all the ology's in the world and the thousands of men who stand behind it... are all standing on skewed results because they can't allow in even the possibility that God might exist. So... I have decided to trust God not man. You're welcome to do whatever you want to do... again, I don't care.

many of whom are Christian.
Or many of whom claim to be.

Be well.
Ken
 
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What it contradicts is human reasoning.
You feel the mass of evidence for evolution contradicts human reasoning? I am faced with two principal possibilities: you lack any of the human reason of which you speak, or you have not seriously studied a significant portion of the evidence. I opt strongly for the second of these.

Again, a point you gloss over.... much of science starts with the premise that God is not a factor.
Science proceeds on the basis of Methodological Naturalism. This is a conscious and deliberate decision to investigate those events and things within the universe that exist, behave, or develop in a predictable manner, with a view to quantifying and modelling as far as possible the existence/behaviour/development.

This investigation and methodology in no way exclude the possibility of God, it simply acknowledges that investigation of the supernatural, or of deities is beyond the remit of science. A cookbook on Indian cuisine does not include tables for decompression during a SCUBA dive. This does not devalue the cookbook.

Therefore, without weighing in even that possibility... then all the ology's in the world and the thousands of men who stand behind it... are all standing on skewed results because they can't allow in even the possibility that God might exist.
The investigations by this method produce sound explanations, readily validated, in which there is no need for any intervention by God. When I was a theist I had no difficulty in accepting that. Indeed, it seemed to me rather dismissive of God's power to think he couldn't so arrange things by setting the correct starting conditions - a second, or third rate god would have to intervene from time to time, not an omnipotent one.

So... I have decided to trust God not man. You're welcome to do whatever you want to do... again, I don't care.
And that is a decision you are fully entitled to make. Unlike you, I do care, for I fear you may have made the wrong decision, not to trust God, but to trust what you think is God.

Or many of whom claim to be.
You make this observation about scientists who profess to be Christians. At the risk of giving offence, that shows a serious lack of respect for those Christians. It also shows a lack of respect for the spirit of the rules of this forum: one is not allowed to question the professed Christianity of members. Courtesy would extend that rule to all self professed Christians.

Please note, I mention this because you have urged others to be respectful and asserted that you are respectful.( I do the former, but make no serious claim to the latter. )
 
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You feel the mass of evidence for evolution contradicts human reasoning? I am faced with two principal possibilities: you lack any of the human reason of which you speak, or you have not seriously studied a significant portion of the evidence. I opt strongly for the second of these.

Science proceeds on the basis of Methodological Naturalism. This is a conscious and deliberate decision to investigate those events and things within the universe that exist, behave, or develop in a predictable manner, with a view to quantifying and modelling as far as possible the existence/behaviour/development.

This investigation and methodology in no way exclude the possibility of God, it simply acknowledges that investigation of the supernatural, or of deities is beyond the remit of science. A cookbook on Indian cuisine does not include tables for decompression during a SCUBA dive. This does not devalue the cookbook.

The investigations by this method produce sound explanations, readily validated, in which there is no need for any intervention by God. When I was a theist I had no difficulty in accepting that. Indeed, it seemed to me rather dismissive of God's power to think he couldn't so arrange things by setting the correct starting conditions - a second, or third rate god would have to intervene from time to time, not an omnipotent one.

And that is a decision you are fully entitled to make. Unlike you, I do care, for I fear you may have made the wrong decision, not to trust God, but to trust what you think is God.

You make this observation about scientists who profess to be Christians. At the risk of giving offence, that shows a serious lack of respect for those Christians. It also shows a lack of respect for the spirit of the rules of this forum: one is not allowed to question the professed Christianity of members. Courtesy would extend that rule to all self professed Christians.

Please note, I mention this because you have urged others to be respectful and asserted that you are respectful.( I do the former, but make no serious claim to the latter. )
I shared an alternative to an asteroid THEORY and have been having to state and restate what I believe to 6-8 people now all because I have a different way of seeing things... and yet you keep pushing your view? As I said, I don't care.... believe whatever you want to believe as will I. I respect your right to choose... respect mine without taking another shot at my intelligence! Good day.
 
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When God is not included in ANY possible outcome, on purpose... then science becomes an (anti) religion of it's own.
Especially if He admits to it in writing.
 
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