Does the Nazarene church teach that perfection
is attainable in this life?
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is attainable in this life?
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Since perfection likely involves being without sin....probably not.Does the Nazarene church teach that perfection
is attainable in this life?
Does the Nazarene church teach that perfection
is attainable in this life?
Thanks.
I would have to agree.Since perfection likely involves being without sin....probably not.
What you posted does sound like perfection.The Church of the Nazarene Articles of Faith:
X. Christian Holiness and Entire Sanctification
10. We believe that sanctification is the work of God which transforms believers into the likeness of Christ. It is wrought by God’s grace through the Holy Spirit in initial sanctification, or regeneration (simultaneous with justification), entire sanctification, and the continued perfecting work of the Holy Spirit culminating in glorification. In glorification, we are fully conformed to the image of the Son.
We believe that entire sanctification is that act of God, subsequent to regeneration, by which believers are made free from original sin, or depravity, and brought into a state of entire devotement to God, and the holy obedience of love made perfect.
It is wrought by the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit, and comprehends in one experience the cleansing of the heart from sin and the abiding, indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, empowering the believer for life and service. Entire sanctification is provided by the blood of Jesus, is wrought instantaneously by grace through faith, preceded by entire consecration; and to this work and state of grace the Holy Spirit bears witness.
This experience is also known by various terms representing its different phases, such as “Christian perfection,” “perfect love,” “heart purity,” “the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit,” “the fullness of the blessing,” and “Christian holiness.”
They have moved away from this however and not many believe in entire sanctification.
What you posted does sound like perfection.
The sentence that says that it is wrought instantaneously by grace through faith sounds like persons that say we are "positionally" sanctified.
I don't believe in any type of "positionally", but only in real concepts.
So they've moved away from this but have not changed their statement of faith?
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I would have to agree.
Some on these forums believe this is what the Nazarene church believes.
Does the Nazarene church teach that perfection
is attainable in this life?
Thanks.
It seems like eradication of the sin nature is the same as perfection. No sin nature,,,,no sinning.Technically, the entire Wesleyan spectrum of churches from United Methodist to Nazarene to Pentecostal Holiness teach full sanctification (aka perfection) is attainable in this life. That teaching was the main fuel of the Wesleyan movement.
As others in this thread have pointed out, that teaching has been nuanced a bit since the start of the 20th century when the Nazarenes taught "eradication of the sin nature" as a product of sanctification.
It seems like eradication of the sin nature is the same as perfection. No sin nature,,,,no sinning.
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It sounds like the church conforming to the world....instead of the other way around.You understand perfectly. Eradication = perfection. Nazarene writers in more recent years, particularly Keith Drury, have begun to soften that sort of language toward a more realistic stance.
I don't believe in any type of "positionally", but only in real concepts.
Could you post some scripture on this positionally idea?Position IS a real concept. One example is Paul telling the Corinthians:
"Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch--as you really are."
I accept "entire sanctification" positionally, because it is true (Paul practically screams it from his letters!). Experientially? Nonsense. On stilts.
But delusion does enable some to imagine it.
I agree with you and posted one of your ideas above.Those in modern times since Wesley and the Holiness Movement in the1800's who were 'deluded' and imagined it were outstanding believers, mission workers and trailblazers being part of the great revivals and growth of the church which has lost its power and social influence to co-incide with the deniers and sceptics to be found today.
Those who claimed the were entirely sanctified never had reports from family and colleagues to repute them and instead gained reputations of being holy people.
I don't know how people can see the state of the church these days, and the utter lack of power it has in the communities in which it is supposed to give witness in, to fail to put two and two together.
People mock Christianity today because of it's hypercritical professors.
Could you post some scripture on this positionally idea?
I'm not saying it's not there...I just can't remember this.
Of course it's our position.Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch--as you really are.—1 Cor. 5:7
That was the one that popped into my head. Paul makes even stronger statements in Colossians 2, for ex:
10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
11In Him you were also circumcised in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses,14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."
How are these things done by God going to be undone? Who is going to asterisk His work and make Him out to be a liar?
The above IS our position. The position IS the free gift of God. Paul always lays down the foundation of our secure position and THEN urges us to a worthy walk. Many reverse this, leading to instability in the walk.
That’s my take away. Have a blessed day!
The concept of Entire Sanctification is something that the Nazarene and other holiness churches have changed their definition on many times. Today's definition which in my opinion is the more biblical one is that when someone has become born again and is saved they then begin the gradual process of the Holy Spirit sanctifying them or becoming more mature in love and motivation while also gradually getting rid of the sin nature. While perfection can never be achieved in this life it is the objective of every believer to become as holy as possible and to keep growing in grace. Personally I think a more appropriate term should be progressive sanctification because one will not ever encounter or achieve entire sanctification until after we die a physical death and our spiritual body then goes to Heaven where we really will be perfect in every aspect because of what Jesus did by dying for us on the cross and freeing us from the penalty of sin.Does the Nazarene church teach that perfection
is attainable in this life?
Thanks.
This is true. Another interesting thing that I've always found interesting about Wesleyan's is that they believe that when someone has achieved salvation they can lose it but that a Christian can reach the point in their life where they are so in tune with God and sanctified that they will never be tempted to fall away.Technically, the entire Wesleyan spectrum of churches from United Methodist to Nazarene to Pentecostal Holiness teach full sanctification (aka perfection) is attainable in this life. That teaching was the main fuel of the Wesleyan movement.
As others in this thread have pointed out, that teaching has been nuanced a bit since the start of the 20th century when the Nazarenes taught "eradication of the sin nature" as a product of sanctification.