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Information and an additional pole in the fight/flight dualism that you propose.Relevance to my op-reply?
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Information and an additional pole in the fight/flight dualism that you propose.Relevance to my op-reply?
That passage in 1Cor 5 isn't about handing the whole Church over to satan. Who gave you that idea? And that individual ended up coming back in repentance which is the goal of Church discipline.So, we can just hand the whole church over to the devil and stuff, and see who's left .. right?
How would you deal with someone who went from being a Calvinist, for example, to being a Methodist arminian?I have to admit my take on this subject is not biblical. Personally I don’t like the idea of shunning an unbeliever even if they did believe at one time. Obviously I wouldn’t condone what they are doing and I would make it clear that I strongly disagree with their decision but I would constantly be doing everything I could to help bring them back to Christ.
The church is currently full of denominations that imply or declare that many of their neighbour denomination are not Christian or Saved, since the church is actively blaspheming the Holy Spirit in one way or another, the handing over would be apt.That passage in 1Cor 5 isn't about handing the whole Church over to satan. Who gave you that idea? And that individual ended up coming back in repentance which is the goal of Church discipline.
They are fringe.... unloving and unforgiving sects of Christianity. They error if they shun. Shunning is a sin. Calvinism is a sin. Works salvation is a sin. Take your pick. Shunning expresses cultic type behaviour.That one way to put it but it does not really answer my question.
Each local Church should have oversight of it's own, not other Churches. The pastor is their to feed and protect his flock, not try to shepherd other flocks.The church is currently full of denominations that imply or declare that many of their neighbour denomination are not Christian or Saved, since the church is actively blaspheming the Holy Spirit in one way or another, the handing over would be apt.
Should is as should does ... but not as it is.Each local Church should have oversight of it's own, not other Churches. The pastor is their to feed and protect his flock, not try to shepherd other flocks.
That's why I no longer look for the 'perfect' Church.Should is as should does ... but not as it is.
I just look for a church that doesn't act like reading the bible suddenly makes them God.That's why I no longer look for the 'perfect' Church.
How would you deal with someone who went from being a Calvinist, for example, to being a Methodist arminian?
How would you deal with someone who went from being a Calvinist, for example, to being a Methodist arminian?
What about those who intentionally game the system?
How would you deal with someone who went from being a Calvinist, for example, to being a Methodist arminian?
I don't think you'd find such a Church, unless it was a cult. Have you seen any such Churches?I just look for a church that doesn't act like reading the bible suddenly makes them God.
But is that the same thing as not considering you Christian? I ve been told they distinguish between being Christian and being a member of Christ's Church, as opposed to the protestant view of an invisible church comprising all true believers.If a brother had switched to Orthodoxy or Catholicism, then it would be a switch to a church that regarded itself as a different religion, which did not consider me a member of Christ's church
Some religions that call themselves christian shun ex-members. Shunning can go as far as cutting off family, friends, and every other associate. What do you think of that as a Christian response to someone leaving the faith or moving to another?
I have family members that are Jehovah's Witness's who did this. They just disappeared one day with their children. It really hurt their parents that they may never see their children or grandchildren again. It hurts, but we have to keep Christ the center of our own lives and carry on.That may be so if only the religiously narrow and superior (in their own eyes) did the shunning but they urge it upon mothers and father, sisters and brothers, children and and spouses in some cases and with threats that failure to shun means that the ones who fail will be expelled and shunned too. That is cruel and very hard to bear for the ones shunned by their loved ones.
But is that the same thing as not considering you Christian? I ve been told they distinguish between being Christian and being a member of Christ's Church, as opposed to the protestant view of an invisible church comprising all true believers.
The word "cult" is a lot like "idolatry" and "necromancy".WHY do people keep mis-using the term "cult?"