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Views on the hail stones in Revelation 16.
Revelation 16:21
And Hail<5464>, great as talent-weight<5006> is descending out of the heaven/sky upon the men,
and the men blaspheme the GOD out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [LXX # 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]
5464. chalaza khal'-ad-zah probably from 5465; hail:--hail.
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In the OT, it is described as hail of stones:
68 'eben eh'-ben from the root of 1129 through the meaning to build;
a stone:--+ carbuncle, + mason, + plummet, (chalk-, hail-, head-, sling-)stone(-ny), (divers) weight(-s).
417 'elgabiysh el-gaw-beesh' from 410 and 1378;
hail (as if a great pearl):--great hail(-stones).
H417 אֶלְגָּבִישׁ ('elgabiysh), occurs 3 times in 3 verses
Eze 13
11 “say to those who plaster it with untempered mortar shall fall. And becomes a downpour overflowing, and ye, stones<68> of hail<417> shall fall and tempest wind shall rend.
13 Therefore thus says my Lord Yahweh: and I rend wind of tempests in fury of me and downpour overflowing in My anger shall become and shall become stones of hail in fury to finish.
Eze 38:22
And I judged him in plague, and in blood, and overflowing downpour and stones of hail, fire and sulfur I shall rain on him and armies of him and on many peoples with him.
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Some believe [as do I now], the Hail could be symbolizing the heavy stones cast by the Roman catapults in 70ad against Jerusalem.......
https://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/2009_ice_100-pound-hailstones.pdf
PRETERIST SOPHISTRY
“It is quite impossible that such gargantuan hailstones can be accounted for underthe most aggravated of meteorological conditions,” declares Dr. Kenneth Gentry. “Yet Josephus records for us an event so visually and effectually similar that what he records must be the fulfillment of the Revelational prophecy.”
1 Dr. Gentry’s belief that Revelation 16:21 was fulfilled in the first century, as recorded by Josephus, is further explained in the following:
Not only is the size mentioned the same (one talent, . . .), but the boulders thrown by the Roman catapults were white colored, as are hailstones.
Would not the effect of the catapulting stones be virtually that of a hailstorm of such proportions?. . . Revelation’s prophecies find an impressive fulfillment in almost literalfashion in the Jewish War.......................
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IBSS - The Bible - Revelation
100 lb. Hailstones
Revelation 16:21 tells how huge hailstones fell from heaven weighing a talent which is about 100 pounds. Josephus describes 100 lb. white stones coming from Roman catapults down on the Jews in Jerusalem (Jewish Wars, Book 5.6.3).
https://www.kennethgentry.com/catalog/apocalypse.htm
The prophecy of the talent weight hailstones has found a similar fulfillment in the siege of Jerusalem, according to the preterist. Josephus states of the catapults of the Roman tenth legion: "the stones that were cast, were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further.... As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was a white color" (Wars 5:6:3). These stones not only had the weight required by John, but were the same color as hail.
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http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html
Now working.........
After this success, John wanted to launch a preemptive strike at the Romans, who were building new camps to the west of the city: one for the legions XII Fulminata and XV Apollinaris and one for legion V Macedonica. But John was afraid that Simon would close the city gates behind his back, and did not assail the new camps. As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city. Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.
The Roman attack served to unite the Jews, who started to make sorties, but failed to destroy the new weapon that the Romans had prepared: siege towers.
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Go to 1 minute mark for catapaults
Revelation 16:21
And Hail<5464>, great as talent-weight<5006> is descending out of the heaven/sky upon the men,
and the men blaspheme the GOD out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [LXX # 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]
5464. chalaza khal'-ad-zah probably from 5465; hail:--hail.
===========================
In the OT, it is described as hail of stones:
68 'eben eh'-ben from the root of 1129 through the meaning to build;
a stone:--+ carbuncle, + mason, + plummet, (chalk-, hail-, head-, sling-)stone(-ny), (divers) weight(-s).
417 'elgabiysh el-gaw-beesh' from 410 and 1378;
hail (as if a great pearl):--great hail(-stones).
H417 אֶלְגָּבִישׁ ('elgabiysh), occurs 3 times in 3 verses
Eze 13
11 “say to those who plaster it with untempered mortar shall fall. And becomes a downpour overflowing, and ye, stones<68> of hail<417> shall fall and tempest wind shall rend.
13 Therefore thus says my Lord Yahweh: and I rend wind of tempests in fury of me and downpour overflowing in My anger shall become and shall become stones of hail in fury to finish.
Eze 38:22
And I judged him in plague, and in blood, and overflowing downpour and stones of hail, fire and sulfur I shall rain on him and armies of him and on many peoples with him.
==============================
Some believe [as do I now], the Hail could be symbolizing the heavy stones cast by the Roman catapults in 70ad against Jerusalem.......
https://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/2009_ice_100-pound-hailstones.pdf
PRETERIST SOPHISTRY
“It is quite impossible that such gargantuan hailstones can be accounted for underthe most aggravated of meteorological conditions,” declares Dr. Kenneth Gentry. “Yet Josephus records for us an event so visually and effectually similar that what he records must be the fulfillment of the Revelational prophecy.”
1 Dr. Gentry’s belief that Revelation 16:21 was fulfilled in the first century, as recorded by Josephus, is further explained in the following:
Not only is the size mentioned the same (one talent, . . .), but the boulders thrown by the Roman catapults were white colored, as are hailstones.
Would not the effect of the catapulting stones be virtually that of a hailstorm of such proportions?. . . Revelation’s prophecies find an impressive fulfillment in almost literalfashion in the Jewish War.......................
===========================================
IBSS - The Bible - Revelation
100 lb. Hailstones
Revelation 16:21 tells how huge hailstones fell from heaven weighing a talent which is about 100 pounds. Josephus describes 100 lb. white stones coming from Roman catapults down on the Jews in Jerusalem (Jewish Wars, Book 5.6.3).
https://www.kennethgentry.com/catalog/apocalypse.htm
The prophecy of the talent weight hailstones has found a similar fulfillment in the siege of Jerusalem, according to the preterist. Josephus states of the catapults of the Roman tenth legion: "the stones that were cast, were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further.... As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was a white color" (Wars 5:6:3). These stones not only had the weight required by John, but were the same color as hail.
-----------------------------------------
http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html
Now working.........
After this success, John wanted to launch a preemptive strike at the Romans, who were building new camps to the west of the city: one for the legions XII Fulminata and XV Apollinaris and one for legion V Macedonica. But John was afraid that Simon would close the city gates behind his back, and did not assail the new camps. As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city. Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.
The Roman attack served to unite the Jews, who started to make sorties, but failed to destroy the new weapon that the Romans had prepared: siege towers.
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Go to 1 minute mark for catapaults
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