What about those who never knew Jesus?

[Halbhh]

Okay, so the bible says, "Jesus will know all and all will come to know Jesus." So what happens to those born in a Buddhist country? Let me take that one step further. A group of people are born in a Buddhist country, never learned about Jesus Christ in school, and noone ever taught them about Jesus, so they never had the opportunity to switch religions until they die. They are isolated tribes in Africa and other parts of the world that live how people live back in the stone age. Odds are, noone will ever be able to reach them and teach them about Jesus, and even if they could, they would have to speak their language to teach them. So these people are unfarily condemned to Hell?

Paul directly addressed the outcome for those without Christ in Romans chapter 2 (but there is more also later below) --

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” a 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."
Romans 2:1 You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

As you can see, this is entirely fair. But it's a difficult standard to do good without Christ. It turns out we cannot be sure those that die without Christ don't get a chance though(!) --

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built...."
1 Peter 3 NIV

Some think this will apply to all the dead that did not hear the true, full gospel. The instance of the wicked before the Flood being a concrete example of them.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It turns out we cannot be sure those that die without Christ don't get a chance though(!) --

If it is realized their 'chance' is to live once, and after this the judgment -
i.e. their 'chance' is IN THIS LIFETIME, not after this life.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

People are not condemned for rejecting Christ, they are condemned for being fallen sons and daughters in Adam who don't have Christ.

Mankind isn't waiting to be condemned. They're condemned already and without Christ they will receive their just sentence.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

I don't think so. If the law is written on their hearts, as Scripture says it is, then everyone contains within their being enough information to live as God wills them to. I think they will be judged according to whether they did the good of which they did know, not the things which they hadn't known of.

What about the atheist who doesn’t believe what scripture says because they don’t trust humans? Technically they heard but they are to skeptical of people to accept that it’s 100% true. Do they have a chance?

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

They are lost. They are not of the elect.

Wow how arrogant

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

People are not condemned for rejecting Christ, they are condemned for being fallen sons and daughters in Adam who don't have Christ.

Mankind isn't waiting to be condemned. They're condemned already and without Christ they will receive their just sentence.

That's practically the same I think.

If they reject Christ, they remain "being fallen sons and daughters in Adam who don't have Christ".

And yes, as written about some(many?) ALREADY TODAY CONDEMNED, they are condemned already because of their unbelief.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

God is going to judge those who have heard the gospel and rejected it on the basis of that rejection. God is going to judge those who might never have heard the name of Jesus on the basis of God’s natural revelation, both in creation and on the imprinted law of God by virtue of been created in God’s own image.

Are you sure about this?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What about the atheist who doesn’t believe what scripture says because they don’t trust humans? Technically they heard but they are to skeptical of people to accept that it’s 100% true. Do they have a chance?

Ekklesia don't trust humans. So atheist who doesn't trust humans has no advantage there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wow how arrogant

God's Word says the whole world REFUSES TO REPENT OF SERVING DEMONS -
and thus they are all lost.

Nothing at all arrogant about that - it is sheer and simple truth.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Ekklesia don't trust humans. So atheist who doesn't trust humans has no advantage there.

What I meant was the atheist who doesn’t believe the Bible is from God. In order to believe the Bible is 100% from God you do have trust people on some level. What if they are like Thomas. Thomas wouldn’t even believe his own brothers.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

God's Word says the whole world REFUSES TO REPENT OF SERVING DEMONS -
and thus they are all lost.

Nothing at all arrogant about that - it is sheer and simple truth.

I’m not trying to argue I’m just to find clarity. Are you saying that the person who grew up in a family and has never heard about Christ is doomed to hell because they were not chosen?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I’m not trying to argue I’m just to find clarity. Are you saying that the person who grew up in a family and has never heard about Christ is doomed to hell because they were not chosen?

THat's NOT what Scripture says.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What I meant was the atheist who doesn’t believe the Bible is from God. In order to believe the Bible is 100% from God you do have trust people on some level. What if they are like Thomas. Thomas wouldn’t even believe his own brothers.

You do not have to trust people at all, ever,
to
perfectly know and to believe the Bible is God's Word, Plan and Purpose.

Most people on the forum, and in the world, who CLAIM to be of the Bible, are not.

That is confirmed IN THE BIBLE, and

does not detract from the PERFECT RELIABILITY of the BIBLE for all who turn to Yahuweh the Creator.

 

[His student]

..........So these people are unfarily condemned to Hell?

No - if they wind up in Hell they will be there "fairly".

We each have enough to worry about with our own sins without spending time thinking about how God might "sin" in His treatment of non-Christians when the time comes for judgment.

By the way - if you have spent 5 bucks on a latte while there is one Buddhist who has never heard the gospel - I'd worry about that sin rather than worrying about God's fairness.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

You do not have to trust people at all, ever,
to
perfectly know and to believe the Bible is God's Word, Plan and Purpose.

Most people on the forum, and in the world, who CLAIM to be of the Bible, are not.

That is confirmed IN THE BIBLE, and

does not detract from the PERFECT RELIABILITY of the BIBLE for all who turn to Yahuweh the Creator.

Ok got it. Thanks

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

Okay, so the bible says, "Jesus will know all and all will come to know Jesus." So what happens to those born in a Buddhist country? Let me take that one step further. A group of people are born in a Buddhist country, never learned about Jesus Christ in school, and noone ever taught them about Jesus, so they never had the opportunity to switch religions until they die. They are isolated tribes in Africa and other parts of the world that live how people live back in the stone age. Odds are, noone will ever be able to reach them and teach them about Jesus, and even if they could, they would have to speak their language to teach them. So these people are unfarily condemned to Hell?

What of Those That Have Never Heard of Christianity

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Okay, so the bible says, "Jesus will know all and all will come to know Jesus." So what happens to those born in a Buddhist country? Let me take that one step further. A group of people are born in a Buddhist country, never learned about Jesus Christ in school, and noone ever taught them about Jesus, so they never had the opportunity to switch religions until they die. They are isolated tribes in Africa and other parts of the world that live how people live back in the stone age. Odds are, noone will ever be able to reach them and teach them about Jesus, and even if they could, they would have to speak their language to teach them. So these people are unfarily condemned to Hell?

The entire Old Testament is filled with people who do not know Christ but they do know God. One God.
Christ died for the sins of the entire world and that includes the distant and remote. The criteria is pure in heart.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God (Mt. 5:8).

 

[Tutorman]

Okay, so the bible says, "Jesus will know all and all will come to know Jesus." So what happens to those born in a Buddhist country? Let me take that one step further. A group of people are born in a Buddhist country, never learned about Jesus Christ in school, and noone ever taught them about Jesus, so they never had the opportunity to switch religions until they die. They are isolated tribes in Africa and other parts of the world that live how people live back in the stone age. Odds are, none will ever be able to reach them and teach them about Jesus, and even if they could, they would have to speak their language to teach them. So these people are unfairly condemned to Hell?

God will work it out. I like what CS Lewis wrote

“Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, Son, thou art welcome. But I said, Alas Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me. Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one? The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child? I said, Lord, though knowest how much I understand. But I said also (for the truth constrained me), Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days. Beloved, said the Glorious One, unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek.”
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1059917-the-last-battle​

Source

 

[WESTOZZIE]

Okay, so the bible says, "Jesus will know all and all will come to know Jesus." So what happens to those born in a Buddhist country? Let me take that one step further. A group of people are born in a Buddhist country, never learned about Jesus Christ in school, and noone ever taught them about Jesus, so they never had the opportunity to switch religions until they die. They are isolated tribes in Africa and other parts of the world that live how people live back in the stone age. Odds are, noone will ever be able to reach them and teach them about Jesus, and even if they could, they would have to speak their language to teach them. So these people are unfarily condemned to Hell?

Read this and wonder! http://www.condemnednomore.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/HOPE-FOR-ALL-EB-3.26.2018-1.pdf

 

[Not David]

Just leave it to God, he is a good God who loves mankind. It seems like a lot of people think God is trying to find something to get you and condemn you but that is not the case.