Can a rape victim determine the value of their unborn child?

[Davidnic]

Unstringing the Violinist | Stand to Reason

 

[Bruce Leiter]

Of course this has been a hot topic since the latest laws coming out of Georgia and Alabama. However, may people have argued that it is wrong to "force a rape victim to carry a baby to term" and that it is up to the victim to decide if the baby should die. All the pictures below are children of rape victims. Well, if the mother can determine the value of the life of her child and she decides that these children are worthless and don't deserve to live, are we supposed to do the same? Why or why not? Would you look these children in the eye and tell them they are worthless because their mother believes so? If not, why would their value be any different before they were born?
Children Born Of Rape Pose To Show That They’re Beautiful And Can Be Loved Too
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As with the political debate, I see a lot of deflection here from the real issue. Is taking the life of an unborn baby right or wrong? I say wrong because of what God says, "You shall not murder."

 

[redleghunter]

How many of you Christians are going to open your homes to those kids.

Christians lead all other Americans in fostering and adopting. That's actually a fact.

When most people reference the changing of the family structure, it’s usually a negative connotation—signifying the disintegration of the traditional family. But there’s another force at work changing the family make–up that is as positive as it is powerful, and Christians are among the most likely groups to address this cause. It’s called the adoption movement, but then again, it’s nothing new. Christians have long understood loving the orphan to be part of the mandate of following Jesus.



1) Today, there are more than 150 million orphans worldwide.

An orphan is defined as a child with at least one deceased parent, and there are 150 million in the world today. There are also 18 million “double orphans,” those who’ve lost both parents, in need of a home. That’s enough to fill a Super Bowl stadium—not just once, but 180 times.

2) While one–quarter of all adults say they have seriously considered adoption, only 2% have actually done so.

Adoption serves one of the world’s greatest needs, but while it’s deeply meaningful, it’s not always easy, for many reasons. And the gap between those considering adoption and those who go actually adopt reflects the many challenges that crop up to prevent needy children from finding homes. Adoption expenses are certainly a factor, but there’s also the emotional toll of the adoption process, the risk factors of behavioral or health issues and more that may deter prospective parents from following through on their inclination to adopt.

3) Practicing Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt than the general population.

While Christians have built a reputation for many of the things they are against, adoption and foster care are emerging as a cause they are for. While only 2% of all Americans have adopted, this rises to 5% among practicing Christians. Practicing Christians are much more likely than others to have seriously considered adoption—38% of practicing Christians say they have, compared to 26% of all adults.

4) The global weight of adoption efforts is carried by just 2% of Americans.

As some of the most privileged people in the world, it’s no surprise that Americans are leading adoption efforts internationally. But when this is put into statistical perspective, this disproportion becomes far more striking: Since American adoptions comprise nearly half of all adoptions worldwide, this means the global weight of adoption efforts rests on the shoulders of the 2% of American adoptive parents.

5) The typical adoptive family is a multi–ethnic one.

The majority of adoptive parents are non–Hispanic white adults (73%), yet non–Hispanic white adopted children are actually the minority (37%). This results in not only a multi–ethnic family portrait, but increasingly multi–ethnic churches as well. This trend may pave the way for renewed cross–ethnic hospitality and reconciliation within today’s Christian community, which remains one of the most ethnically divided parts of U.S. society.
https://www.barna.com/research/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-adoption/

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[GodLovesCats]

It is not "wrong" for a pregnant teenager who was raped before she could drive, get a job, and stop going to school to consider having an abortion. I cannot be convinced that forcing her to stay pregnant for a full 9 months is moral and ehtical without proof she has no risk of suffering physically, mentally, and socially.

 

[Davidnic]

It is not "wrong" for a pregnant teenager who was raped before she could drive, get a job, and stop going to school to consider having an abortion. I cannot be convinced that forcing her to stay pregnant for a full 9 months is moral and ehtical without proof she has no risk of suffering physically, mentally, and socially.

What about anecdotal evidence that many women who have an abortion say the abortion was worse than the Rape. Because that's repeated over and over in that book I linked to earlier.

 

[GodLovesCats]

What about anecdotal evidence that many women who have an abortion say the abortion was worse than the Rape. Because that's repeated over and over in that book I linked to earlier.

Anecdotal evidence is just personal testimonies. The only way to prove anything is write the conclusion of a nationwide, long-term study of thousands of teen mothers who were rape victims and their babies.

 

[Davidnic]

Anecdotal evidence is just personal testimonies. The only way to prove anything is write the conclusion of a nationwide, long-term study of thousands of teen mothers who were rape victims and their babies.

So until you have that proof other people can be killed. After of course using sophistry we argue away their humanity.

 

[Davidnic]

So the only kind of large study I know was the one done for the book which includes 200 women. But it has more weight than just assuming the worst to justify killing.

 

[GodLovesCats]

So until you have that proof other people can be killed. After of course using sophistry we argue away their humanity.

No, I need that proof specifically regarding why it would be moral to force a girl to carry her unborn baby to term, but of course would never support murdering born people.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I am NOT promoting infanticide.

Don't keep lying to yourself. If you are pro-choice, you are pro-infanticide because you support the decision of a woman destroying her unborn child. No different than if you supported a woman's choice to throw healthy babies off cliffs. The only reason you would be against such actions are because a born baby has legal rights and you would have to look the baby in the eyes before they are slaughtered.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Don't keep lying to yourself. If you are pro-choice, you are pro-infanticide because you support the decision of a woman destroying her unborn child. No different than if you supported a woman's choice to throw healthy babies off cliffs. The only reason you would be against such actions are because a born baby has legal rights and you would have to look the baby in the eyes before they are slaughtered.

Archivist has explained repeatedly pro-choice is not pro-abortion. No way am I lying to myself about this. Choice means you have two options. It does not mean you want your fetus to die. There is no such thing as a woman destroying a fetus, slaughtering a fetus, throwing a fetus off a cliff, etc.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

It is not "wrong" for a pregnant teenager who was raped before she could drive, get a job, and stop going to school to consider having an abortion. I cannot be convinced that forcing her to stay pregnant for a full 9 months is moral and ehtical without proof she has no risk of suffering physically, mentally, and socially.

Given that most rape victims feel worse after their abortion, how do you know that they are mentally and emotionally stable enough to make and deal with this life and death decision?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Given that most rape victims feel worse after their abortion, how do you know that they are mentally and emotionally stable enough to make and deal with this life and death decision?

You just don't want to understand me, right? They are mentally and socially unstable, and that is why the girl would choose abortion over staying pregnant.

 

[Davidnic]

Archivist has explained repeatedly pro-choice is not pro-abortion. No way am I lying to myself about this. Choice means you have two options. It does not mean you want your fetus to die.

It's pro the choice to have the option to kill an innocent.

I could be pro the choice people have the right to shoot anybody they see as dangerous for whatever reason they want... But not encourage it or be for it.

I'm still part of what creates a mindset that allows the killing of an innocent.

And if you look at Twitter and the shout out your abortion stuff... there are many pro choice people who are pro-abortion.

 

[Davidnic]

You just don't want to understand me, right? They are mentally and socially unstable, and that is why the girl would choose abortion over staying pregnant.

Do we let people who are mentally and socially unstable make life-and-death decisions?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Archivist has explained repeatedly pro-choice is not pro-abortion. No way am I lying to myself about this. Choice means you have two options. It does not mean you want your fetus to die. There is no such thing as a woman destroying a fetus, slaughtering a fetus, throwing a fetus off a cliff, etc.

If you are pro-choice, you are pro women choosing abortion if that is their choice. I hear it all the time. "I think abortion is wrong, but I will support a woman's ability to choose abortion." No different than saying, "I think it is wrong to throw a healthy baby in the garbage disposal, but I will support a woman's ability to choose to throw her baby in the garbage disposal if she wants to. After all, who am I to tell her what she can or cannot do?" You approve of abortion. You know Romans 1:32 says that those who condone wickedness are just as guilty as those who practice wickedness.

"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:32

 

[JacksBratt]

I am 42 and disabled.

Do you think that going through 9 months of pregnancy is harder than what you face every day and have for however long you have been disabled?

 

[JacksBratt]

The pro-lifers are ther ones who want control. Pro-choice means the opposite: don't control us, let us.

Who is in control... the mother? Or the unborn child that could be a great artist, preacher, President, or any other of a million things that would benefit society?

 

[JacksBratt]

Pro-choice means literally just that: the government can't control what women do with their bodies.

Where does this "Freedom of Choice" end?

Are we free to take anything without paying?
Are we free to choose to randomly push someone in front of a train?
Free to choose to take some money from your wallet?
Free to choose to enter your house at any time?
Free to choose.... very dangerous.

That is why we have laws... laws to protect those that cannot protect themselves.

A bully chooses to pick on the weak.... People who choose abortion... are bullies. They are selfish and put the child's entire life out like a candle, so that they, themselves, can have 9 months of their life the way they want for themselves.

 

[JacksBratt]

It is not "wrong" for a pregnant teenager who was raped before she could drive, get a job, and stop going to school to consider having an abortion. I cannot be convinced that forcing her to stay pregnant for a full 9 months is moral and ehtical without proof she has no risk of suffering physically, mentally, and socially.

It is absolutely wrong. Her life is not in danger. She is young and has lots of time to make up this time...

9 months is a small price to pay for a life...

Your thinking does not match your signature......not one bit.