Alabama's Restrictive Abortion Law: Rape and Incest Discussion

[Archivist]

If you woke up and found yourself and another person the victims of some horrible experiment where your bodies were connected together in such a complex way that separating you two immediately would result in your death, but if you were willing to wait 9 months, they would be able to separate you two without death - Do you think the other person should have the right to tell the doctors to disconnect you because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced for 9 months? He's already suffered a terrible crime, he just wants to move on with his life.

Yes, of course.

 

[Robert6671]

 

[Robert6671]

If you woke up and found yourself and another person the victims of some horrible experiment where your bodies were connected together in such a complex way that separating you two immediately would result in your death, but if you were willing to wait 9 months, they would be able to separate you two without death - Do you think the other person should have the right to tell the doctors to disconnect you because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced for 9 months? He's already suffered a terrible crime, he just wants to move on with his life.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No one is saying that the fetus has no worth. The choice has to remain with the rape victim. She could choose to carry the fetus to term.

Which is what I said previously. The baby has some worth, just not enough to live. The baby has some value, but the comfort and convenience of the mother is more valuable.

 

[Archivist]

Which is what I said previously. The baby has some worth, just not enough to live. The baby has some value, but the comfort and convenience of the mother is more valuable.

No, I never said that the fetus does not have enough value to live. I said the decision has to remain with the rape victim. This are two very different things. What I’m saying has nothing to do with the value of the fetus.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No, I never said that the fetus does not have enough value to live. I said the decision has to remain with the rape victim. This are two very different things. What I’m saying has nothing to do with the value of the fetus.

So you think that the baby has enough value to live, but because the mother doesn't think so, the baby should die?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

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You know, I agree with that statement. Because it might change a lot of dudes minds about being irresponsible with their sexual behavior.

 

[Archivist]

So you think that the baby has enough value to live, but because the mother doesn't think so, the baby should die?

No, I never said the fetus should die. I said it should be her choice. I don’t know how much clearer I can be.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No, I never said the fetus should die. I said it should be her choice. I don’t know how much clearer I can be.

So are you saying that the baby shouldn't die, but you think that the baby deserves to die if the mother makes that decision? You are being very clear. I just don't think you can look past your delusion to understand what you are actually saying.

 

[Archivist]

So are you saying that the baby shouldn't die, but if the mother doesn't think the baby deserves to live, the baby should die? You are being very clear. I just don't think you can look past your delusion to understand what you are actually saying.

Oh, now I’m delusional? Are you always so rude?

I’m saying that the choice must remain with the rape victim.

I earlier said that people don’t agree as to when life begins. If one is not yet alive they can’t die. I know when I believe life begins but it isn’t up to me to force my views on others.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Oh, now I’m delusional? Are you always so rude?

I’m saying that the choice must remain with the rape victim.

I earlier said that people don’t agree as to when life begins. If one is not yet alive they can’t die. I know when I believe life begins but it isn’t up to me to force my views on others.

I am not trying to be rude. I am calling it what it is. Your explanations are just lies that you are telling yourself to convince yourself of something that isn't true. That is delusion.

Right now you are saying that if the mother believes that her baby deserves to die, you will support her decision.

 

[GodLovesCats]

NUF, I don't know where you get this idea that Archvist thinks fetuses "deserve to die" just because their mothers deserve the right to abort their pregnancies. Is this making stuff up for the sake of argument? In fact, people who force their religious views on others the way you do are delusional.

 

[Archivist]

I am not trying to be rude. I am calling it what it is. Your explanations are just lies that you are telling yourself to convince yourself of something that isn't true. That is delusion.

Right now you are saying that if the mother believes that her baby deserves to die, you will support her decision.

First of all I have said throughout this thread that the choice must remain with the pregnant woman. You are acting as if this is some great surprise. Did you read the thread?

Second, after a polite conversation you have suddenly turned rude. I have been polite, sad that you cannot do that as well. You can probably guess what I would tell you to do with your rude comments. Conversation ended.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

NUF, I don't know where you get this idea that Archvist thinks fetuses "deserve to die" just because their mothers deserve the right to abort their pregnancies. Is this making stuff up for the sake of argument? In fact, people who force their religious views on others the way you do are delusional.

I said Archivist supported the mother's "decision" to kill her child. That's what "pro-choice" is all about...right? Being "Pro-Choice" requires the condoning the killing of innocent unborn children if the mother so chooses to do so." Even if you do not think abortion is the right decision, you would be condoning the very thing you consider to be wrong.

 

[Servant of Yeshua]

Servant, the 11-year old girl in Ohio was specifically mentioned, not 11-year olds in general. Someone on this forum stated she attempted suicide twice because of her forced pregnancy that could not be aborted.

I can add to Archivist's list:

1. Post on message boards, inclulding CF.
2. Get a tattoo (must be at least 18)
3. Get ears pierced without an adult's consent
4. Donate blood (minimum weight is 110)
5. Volunteer without an adult, if at all

I am not sure why nobody at all is mentioning why any rape victim of any age could not simply be given a morning after pill and therefore completely ending this part of the conversation. There needs to be special procedures for a rape victim to ensure that she is protected from abuse. Authorities must be properly notified. The current system of allowing her to go into planned parenthood without any question, without any notifications to authorities or parents being notified is a huge problem in that it is protecting the sex traffickers and those having sex with minors. Currently students cannot be given an advil in school without their parent's written permission but yet any age child can go to planned parenthood and get a medical procedure in which some have died ( Gosnell movie regarding this true story in Philly) and parents are allowed to be notified. I guess if their child dies during the procedure, then someone would notify them. I appreciate you caring enough to have a conversation though. Most people just tell me to go to ____ and never even try to explain their side.
Believe me... I wish we had nothing to debate. I pray so hard that people would just not even have any unwanted pregnancy. Honestly, I love the Lord and I do not want to question Him, But I do not understand why God would allow a pregnancy when the woman does not want one. The only thing I can fathom is that God knows the big picture and in His ways this child had a purpose. I can agree though that it is very hard for me (being limited in knowledge) to understand God's ways.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Paremtal consent or notification prior to the procedure is required by law. In some states, both parents (if possible) must give consent or be notified.