You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

[BNR32FAN]

Amen! Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

believe

G4100

Lemma:

πιστεύω

Transliteration:

pisteúō

Pronounce:

pist-yoo'-o

Part of Speech:

Verb

Language:

greek

Description:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing


believer

G4103

Lemma:

πιστός

Transliteration:

pistós

Pronounce:

pis-tos'

Part of Speech:

Adjective

Language:

greek

Description:

1) trusty, faithful a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust c) that can be relied on

2) easily persuaded a) believing, confiding, trusting b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises

1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead

2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's not a false claim. Here is a statement that you once made to me below:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

That statement above says it all and there is nothing left to discuss. Multiple people (including myself) have already spent a lot of time providing you with detailed scriptural proof of the truth of the gospel found in God's Word, yet you will accept none of it and instead, continue to copy and paste the same list of out of context scripture references with the same insistence that only you are right and the rest of us are wrong. I've heard other people quote Ephesians 2:8 as well and claim they agree that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God out of one side of their mouth, then turn around and say something to contradict themselves out of the other side of their mouth.

Of course your making false claims! This is sad for you. Where in the statement that you have provided above does it say anywhere or where have I posted anywhere in this forum or elsewhere that our salvation is from faith and works?

Your stating things now brother that have no truth in them. That statement above links to the post I previously provided to you elsewhere after I gave you clarification on what I believe which is not what you are claiming whatsoever. The statement is blue links to the questions I asked you in the previous post and elsewhere which where...

How can you separate God's LAW from the cross when it is the law that leads us there?

How can you separate faith and works when works is the fruit of faith?

How can you separate love from Law when God's LAW is how love is expressed as a fruit of faith?

As posted earlier for your clarification on what I believe. I stated very clearly to you more than once now that OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Now why do you pretend that I am saying something that I am not? If I am not saying what you are claiming then why pretend that I am?

Now did you want to answer the questions I asked you or do you want to pray about them?

Look forward to your reply

 

[Danthemailman]

It’s so sad that so many people resort to misrepresenting others intentions.

You be the judge:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Does that sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments? Everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) The law is not the solution for our redemption, but Jesus is. (Romans 3:24-28)

 

[-57]

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved

But you are not always obedient.

Just saying.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's not a false claim. Here is a statement that you once made to me below:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

That statement above says it all and there is nothing left to discuss. Multiple people (including myself) have already spent a lot of time providing you with detailed scriptural proof of the truth of the gospel found in God's Word, yet you will accept none of it and instead, continue to copy and paste the same list of out of context scripture references with the same insistence that only you are right and the rest of us are wrong. I've heard other people quote Ephesians 2:8 as well and claim they agree that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God out of one side of their mouth, then turn around and say something to contradict themselves out of the other side of their mouth.

Those who quoted Ephesians 2 need to read Ephesians 5 and think about the message these two are giving and how one cannot contradict the other.

 

[-57]

How can you separate God's LAW from the cross when it is the law that leads us there?

Jesus fulfilled the law. Why? Because we can't.

Why do you post as if you can?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You be the judge:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Does that sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments? Everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) The law is not the solution to our redemption, but Jesus is.

You know Dan this is simply just sad for you. Please go ahead and explain in light of the statement made in blue which is a correct statement if you do not believe it to be true...

1. How can you separate God's LAW from the cross when it is the law that leads us there?
2. How can you separate faith and works when works is the fruit of faith?
3. How can you separate love from Law when God's LAW is how love is expressed as a fruit of faith?

What is sad for you is that you are trying to pretend I am saying things that I am not even after I have clarified what I believe to you. Your claims have no truth in them. I have already told you what I believe yet you claim I believe something different so I will leave that part between you and God to work through.

As posted earlier for your clarification on what I believe. I stated very clearly to you more than once now that OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Look forward to your response

 

[Danthemailman]

Those who quoted Ephesians 2 need to read Ephesians 5 and think about the message these two are giving and how one cannot contradict the other.

I see no contradiction between Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 5. I also see a clear contrast between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:7-10.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus fulfilled the law. Why? Because we can't.

Why do you post as if you can?

Brother Jesus fulfilled the Law so we can follow him by walking in the Spirit. According to God's WORD those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear sin *ROMANS 6:23

 

[-57]

Brother Jesus fulfilled the Law so we can follow him by walking in the Spirit. According to God's WORD those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear sin *ROMANS 6:23

What do you do with your unrepentant sin? You know you have some.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I see no contradiction between Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 5. I also see a clear contrast between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:7-10.

Indeed then you should know better. The difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking God's LAW) *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; MATTHEW 7:22-23. By their fruits you shall know them *MATTHEW 7:16. Are you going to answer the questions asked of you from post # 727 linked? It's ok if you do not wish to just say so. It is up to you. At the very least you will have something to think and pray about.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You be the judge:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Does that sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments? Everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) The law is not the solution for our redemption, but Jesus is. (Romans 3:24-28)

You still don’t understand the implications of justification. Justification simply means we have been made right with God and forgiven of our sins. It doesn’t mean that we can’t be made wrong with Him afterwards. Ephesians 5 Paul warns the same children of God who are justified according to Ephesians 2 of living a sinful lifestyle that will result in them receiving God’s wrath on the sons of disobedience and lose their inheritance in the kingdom of God.

 

[-57]

Indeed then you should know better. The difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking God's LAW) *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; MATTHEW 7:22-23. Are you going to answer the questions asked of you from post # 727 linked? It's ok if you do not wish to continue praying about them.

But you break the law everyday. Are you a child of the devil posing as a christian?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But you break the law everyday. Are you a child of the devil posing as a christian?

Who says I break God's LAW everyday? Are you my judge brother. Your post has no truth in it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I see no contradiction between Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 5. I also see a clear contrast between children of God and children of the devil in 1 John 3:7-10.

Who is Paul writing to in his Ephesians epistle?

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,”
‭‭EPHESIANS‬ ‭2:8-10, 19‬ ‭NASB‬‬

What does Paul say happens to these children of God if they continue to live in sin?

“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
‭‭EPHESIANS‬ ‭5:1-6‬ ‭NASB‬‬

They prove themselves to be sons of disobedience and will receive God’s wrath.

“Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”
‭‭1 JOHN‬ ‭3:4-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

John is explaining how to distinguish a child of God from a child of the devil aka the sons of disobedience. We must abide in Christ to remain a child of God. Notice John says “no one who abides (remains) in Him sins”. This means the person must be in Christ in order to abide or remain in Him and can fail to remain in Him. Hence this person who is a child of God can become a son of disobedience.

 

[Danthemailman]

Those who quoted Ephesians 2 need to read Ephesians 5 and think about the message these two are giving and how one cannot contradict the other.

You did not answer my questions. Does that statement sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments.

Yes or No.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You did not answer my questions. Does that statement sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments.

You did not answer my questions either

 

[BNR32FAN]

You did not answer my questions. Does that statement sound like saved by grace through faith, not works to you? Should we change it to saved by grace through faith + obeying the 10 commandments.

Yes we are saved by grace because no matter what we do we will never deserve salvation. The wages of sin is death not works so we can never earn our salvation by doing works.

 

[-57]

Who says I break God's LAW everyday? Are you my judge brother. Your post has no truth in it.

Whether it's today or tomorrow, doesn't matter. You break the law. Period. Your failed theology, according to your twist will send you to hell.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Whether it's today or tomorrow, doesn't matter. You break the law. Period. Your failed theology, according to your twist will send you to hell.

Not at all and your not my judge. We are warned about judging others in God's Word *ROMANS 2:1-8