Getting What We Deserve

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Doesn't the Bible say we deserve nothing but eternal damnation in God's eyes? Because of our sinful nature? So yeah, as far as God is concerned, I'm going to say it would be pretty bad if we got what we deserve.


But....thank God for Jesus. I don't think I need to say anymore than that.
 
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What if we got what we really deserved? Would that be a terrible or wonderful thing?

It would be right, good, and praiseworthy. It may not be seem so great on our side of it.

Yet, his mercy surpasses in greatness and glory.
 
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I think Christians often confuse the words 'deserve' and 'earn'. As a sinful sentient being, I might have earned damnation, and I can never earn God's favour and merits. On the other hand, an infant (which is what we are compared to an all-holy God) can never earn anything, but it certainly deserves to be taken care of.
 
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I think that would depend on whether we are talking about before or after Christ. Original sin begins with Adam, it doesn't start with our merit or guilt, we are born in sin. When righteousness is imputed to us by grace through faith, it's because our sin was imputed to him on the cross, guilt over sin is effectively gone and righteousness is credited to the believer. There are some small rewards for works, according to Daniel those who bring many to righteousness will shine like stars forever. There is the victors crown, a stone with a name only you can learn, perhaps a song only you can sing.

God has given you the means of deserving salvation, the righteousness of God in Christ. It's by grace through faith and only God will be glorified when you receive the redemption of the purchased price, but it's deserved. You will get what you deserve in final judgment, you really want that to be the righteousness of God in Christ.
 
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Never never never. We never deserve salvation.
We do if we are the righteousness of God in Christ. Of course receiving the divine nature is a work of God where you merit counts for nothing. God is in the process of making you righteous, when you appear before God without blemish or spot, clothed in a righteousness not your own, with the church robed in the righteous deeds of the saints salvation is deserved. I understand that righteousness comes to the individual by grace through faith and on the last day only God will be glorified.

You either deserve salvation or you don't receive it and I'm not talking about conversion or sanctification. God makes his people worthy of salvation by changing their nature and perfecting them in mind, body and spirit. Salvation isn't just a time of decision or things that occur during the time of our sojourn here, it's a moment at final judgment. Being found in Christ, clothed in the righteousness of God in Christ, makes you worthy of salvation, even though there was nothing you could do to earn it.

Grace and peace,
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We do if we are the righteousness of God in Christ. Of course receiving the divine nature is a work of God where you merit counts for nothing. God is in the process of making you righteous, when you appear before God without blemish or spot, clothed in a righteousness not your own, with the church robed in the righteous deeds of the saints salvation is deserved. I understand that righteousness comes to the individual by grace through faith and on the last day only God will be glorified.

You either deserve salvation or you don't receive it and I'm not talking about conversion or sanctification. God makes his people worthy of salvation by changing their nature and perfecting them in mind, body and spirit. Salvation isn't just a time of decision or things that occur during the time of our sojourn here, it's a moment at final judgment. Being found in Christ, clothed in the righteousness of God in Christ, makes you worthy of salvation, even though there was nothing you could do to earn it.

Grace and peace,
Mark
I just cannot agree with this. Salvation is of grace. There’s nothing about us that merits it. If we did, it wouldn’t be grace.
 
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I just cannot agree with this. Salvation is of grace. There’s nothing about us that merits it. If we did, it wouldn’t be grace.
There is nothing we can do to earn it, we don't achieve it we receive it, but in the final judgment we deserve it because Jesus made sure of it. Honestly I'm just shuffling the semantics here but there is a core point here worth making, if you don't deserve salvation you won't receive it.
 
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There is nothing we can do to earn it, we don't achieve it we receive it, but in the final judgment we deserve it because Jesus made sure of it. Honestly I'm just shuffling the semantics here but there is a core point here worth making, if you don't deserve salvation you won't receive it.
I think you need to shuffle back the other way. If you can’t earn it or work for it, then you don’t deserve it. The wages of sin is death. That’s what we earn and deserve. The gift (underserved) is eternal life.
 
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I think you need to shuffle back the other way. If you can’t earn it or work for it, then you don’t deserve it. The wages of sin is death. That’s what we earn and deserve. The gift (underserved) is eternal life.
Yet that gift is salvation, that salvation is based on the righteousness of God in Christ and in the final judgment it's perfect. Jesus didn't need salvation, he always was and always will be righteous but here is the thing. It's not deserved because you merited it, or earned it or based on some works. It's deserved because it's something you become perfectly based on the completed work of Christ. Christ perfects you in the resurrection, the corruptible becomes incorruptible, even being a righteousness not your own salvation is still deserved because of what God makes you. Again, I'm not talking about justification or sanctification because that is a part of the process, I'm talking about what believers become on the last day.
 
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Yet that gift is salvation, that salvation is based on the righteousness of God in Christ and in the final judgment it's perfect. Jesus didn't need salvation, he always was and always will be righteous but here is the thing. It's not deserved because you merited it, or earned it or based on some works. It's deserved because it's something you become perfectly based on the completed work of Christ. Christ perfects you in the resurrection, the corruptible becomes incorruptible, even being a righteousness not your own salvation is still deserved because of what God makes you. Again, I'm not talking about justification or sanctification because that is a part of the process, I'm talking about what believers become on the last day.
And on the last day, we still don’t deserve it because it’s still a gift. Our perfection will still be based on what Christ did for us. Being perfect doesn’t merit us anything. I cannot believe that I will stand in God’s presence and say “I deserve this”.
 
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And on the last day, we still don’t deserve it because it’s still a gift. Our perfection will still be based on what Christ did for us. Being perfect doesn’t merit us anything. I cannot believe that I will stand in God’s presence and say “I deserve this”.
Of course I'm not going to say that but based on the completed work of Christ it will be true.
 
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Of course I'm not going to say that but based on the completed work of Christ it will be true.
It it’s true, why wouldn’t you say it?
 
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Because God is glorified on the last day and if your the righteousness of God in Christ it goes without saying.
I think all truth is okay to proclaim. Jesus is the truth. So if we deserve (merit) to be there, it should be proclaimed.
 
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