Does sinful man deserve God’s justice?

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Sometimes, when I consider the harshness of that justice - it seems that neither Adam nor many of us deserve what God has in store for those who do not believe on Christ.

In the case of some, like serial killers or Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot and such - it seems fairly appropriate. But not for my Dad who failed to believe and be saved (so far as I know).

But I believe that when I see things without looking through this clouded glass I'll agree with it even if I don't like it much now.

In the mean time - I believe what He says about justice and I'm sure as heck glad I've been saved and will never come under that kind of wrath.

He loved me so much that He died for me. I guess I can trust Him to deal fairly and justly with everyone in the end.

I wrote this today and wanted to share it with you. It is obviously my human opinion and perspective, but I wanted to share it with you, after sympathizing with what you have written.

The post number is #19 on the thread this links you to. Romans 9-11, Acts 1, Zechariah 14, Joel 3 and Galatians 4 and 6:16
 
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Okay. Do those who reject the opportunity deserve justice or mercy?
They all receive justice.

Perhaps everyone is offered mercy - but God says simply "I WILL HAVE MERCY ".... on those I CHOOSE TO HAVE MERCY ON.....

He cannot do ANYTHING without BEING PERFECT IN JUSTICE/ JUDGMENT, as written in HIS WORD -
so EVERYONE RECEIVES JUSTICE, always, from GOD.
 
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Okay. Do those who reject the opportunity deserve justice or mercy?
They will get both according to their circumstances (such as age of accountability Romans 4:15, 5:13) -- Romans 2:6-16. Though in the passage you will notice to specifically reject the good is an act that will result in the fair Justice in recompense for it.
 
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They will get both according to their circumstances (such as age of accountability Romans 4:15, 5:13) -- Romans 2:6-16.
For the sake of this discussion, let’s stick with adults. :)
 
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For the sake of this discussion, let’s stick with adults. :)

Romans 2:6-16. Though in the passage you will notice to specifically reject the good/truth (having become aware of the truth and then rejecting it) is an act that will result in the fair Justice in recompense for it.
 
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Romans 2:6-16. Though in the passage you will notice to specifically reject the good is an act that will result in the fair Justice in recompense for it.
Except Paul goes on to explain that nobody does good.
 
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Except Paul goes on to explain that nobody does good.
Sorry, I corrected it to be more clear and complete, but not as quick as you. The 'truth' is 'good', but it helps to use the word 'truth' for clarity. To reject Christ after learning accurately of Him is to reject the truth, reject the good.
 
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Sometimes, when I consider the harshness of that justice - it seems that neither Adam nor many of us deserve what God has in store for those who do not believe on Christ.

In the case of some, like serial killers or Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot and such - it seems fairly appropriate. But not for my Dad who failed to believe and be saved (so far as I know).

But I believe that when I see things without looking through this clouded glass I'll agree with it even if I don't like it much now.

In the mean time - I believe what He says about justice and I'm sure as heck glad I've been saved and will never come under that kind of wrath.

He loved me so much that He died for me. I guess I can trust Him to deal fairly and justly with everyone in the end.
Everything "born of flesh is flesh, and profits nothing" , what is born of the spirit is spirit, and life.

So from Adam thru the last person born - everyone born of the flesh, they are flesh,
and deserve death.
That's why Jesus said "you must be born again" to those following Him, to those listening to Him..... If they were not born again, by the WILL OF THE FATHER FROM HEAVEN, then they remained "of the flesh", dead BECAUSE OF SIN, without eternal life .
i.e. the flesh is always opposed to the spirit, it is always a hindrance, temptation, cause of trouble, as disclosed all through Scripture.

Even what "looks good", but is in the flesh, profits not even a little bit.
 
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Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?
Do we deserve hell? Absolutely.

Not just Hitler or insert any other human that has done atrocities.... we too. The man going to work to feed his family. The woman that loves and cares for her children. Everyone deserves hell as we have all fallen short of deserving the Father's kingdom.

By grace and mercy not all shall receive the punishment that is deserved because they choose to follow in a life of devotion to the one that paid their punishment for them by taking up their cross daily and following Him.

It is because all are deserving of hell that NONE can look down on any other, saves or unsaved.

Call sin as it is, sin. However just as Christ did, show love and mercy to the sinner. Both to the repentant and unrepentant.

To excuse sin is what we humans are great at, being sons and daughters of Adam it's no surprise that it is in our nature to justify our actions that are against the will of God. Just like Adam, blaming Eve and God for giving Eve to him and Eve, blaming the serpent.

We either agree with God that there is no justification for sin, no matter the sin... or we agree with that of man saying "it's not that bad, it's not like I killed someone"... etc.

Let God be truth and every man a liar.
 
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Everything "born of flesh is flesh, and profits nothing" , what is born of the spirit is spirit, and life.

So from Adam thru the last person born - everyone born of the flesh, they are flesh,
and deserve death.
That's why Jesus said "you must be born again" to those following Him, to those listening to Him..... If they were not born again, by the WILL OF THE FATHER FROM HEAVEN, then they remained "of the flesh", dead BECAUSE OF SIN, without eternal life .
i.e. the flesh is always opposed to the spirit, it is always a hindrance, temptation, cause of trouble, as disclosed all through Scripture.

Even what "looks good", but is in the flesh, profits not even a little bit.
I'm not sure why you addressed these remarks to me.

But - sure - OK. As they like to say at Geico, "Everyone knows that!"
 
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I'm not sure why you addressed these remarks to me.

But - sure - OK. As they like to say at Geico, "Everyone knows that!"
Not everyone.
As noted (and earlier quoted) >
Sometimes, when I consider the harshness of that justice - it seems that neither Adam nor many of us deserve what God has in store for those who do not believe on Christ.
In the case of some, like serial killers or Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot and such - it seems fairly appropriate. But not for my Dad who failed to believe and be saved (so far as I know).

Both Adam and everyone else deserves "harshness of that justice", or even far worse than what they receive.

God is Perfect in Justice, Righteousness and in Every Judgment.
 
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Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

The proper answer to the OP which is framed in terms of merit would be "No".


I think however if we look at God from the standpoint/paradigm "as a father", then the answer would be a bit more generous.
 
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Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?
If your asking a sinful man this question then the reply would be that God is unjust in judging us.

If your asking whether the Bible states that sinful man deserves justice, then the answer is yes.
 
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Not everyone.
As noted (and earlier quoted) ..Both Adam and everyone else deserves "harshness of that justice", or even far worse than what they receive. ...God is Perfect in Justice, Righteousness and in Every Judgment.
Like I said - everyone knows that.

Perhaps you didn't have time to read my entire post before so I'll put it here for you with a few pertinent highlights.
Sometimes, when I consider the harshness of that justice - it seems that neither Adam nor many of us deserve what God has in store for those who do not believe on Christ.

In the case of some, like serial killers or Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot and such - it seems fairly appropriate. But not for my Dad who failed to believe and be saved (so far as I know).

But I believe that when I see things without looking through this clouded glass I'll agree with it even if I don't like it much now.

In the mean time - I believe what He says about justice and I'm sure as heck glad I've been saved and will never come under that kind of wrath.

He loved me so much that He died for me. I guess I can trust Him to deal fairly and justly with everyone in the end.

There ya go!:)
 
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