Being Polite in Abortion Threads

[Archivist]

I know that abortion is an emotional topic. However, why do some who post in threads discussing abortion apparently lack the ability to remain polite?

Those who favor abortion rights are pro-choice. That means that they believe that the pregnant woman should have the right to choose whether to abort or to carry the fetus to term. That doesn't make them pro-murder, nor does it make them pro-abortion. In fact many pro-choice posters on here are personally opposed to abortion, and would not have an abortion except to save their own life or in the event of rape or incest. I'm pro-choice because I believe taht the choice must remain with the pregnant woman, but I also give financial support to a crisis pregnancy center that counsels against abortion and helps women get support after their babies are born.

If posting in this thread, please remain polite or I will ask the mods to shut it down.

 

[RaymondG]

The fruit is representative of the tree from whence it cometh......It has little to do with topics or feelings.... An Orange tree must produce oranges....it has no other choice...

I agree with choice for selfish reasons.... I do not wish for my choice to be taken away because of the convictions of others....some who may not even have the same religion as myself........So I preserve the ability for others to make a choice, regardless of whether or not I would make the same. I'll state my choice and my opinion of the best choice for all......but I stop short of feeling that my choices are better or more right than the choices of others.....by looking down on, or condemning them for theirs...

Love you neighbor as yourself......I just dont see the love in the taking away of their ability to make decisions for themselves......the forcing of other to abide by my personal convictions. But I see no fault in those who desire to take away the choices of others either. Everyone must decide which harvest they would like to reap tomorrow by choosing themselves which seeds they plant today....

 

[Kenny'sID]

That means that they believe that the pregnant woman should have the right to choose whether to abort or to carry the fetus to term. That doesn't make them pro-murder, nor does it make them pro-abortion.

Isn't that for the most part, what abortion is all about? And If this is what you mean by impolite, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid there is no nice way to call a murderer a murderer, or to say that IS pro abortion.

See, some of us see it as such an atrocity that it may very well end some up in a very bad place, and that's not to even mention the killing of the child, so we feel that is the only way to wake people up/get their attention

Besides, What is nice about killing a defenseless little baby, the most innocent of human kind?

If they'll be nice so will we.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Love you neighbor as yourself......I just dont see the love in the taking away of their ability to make decisions for themselves

It's very heard to believe you/others are totally oblivious to the side that says "we don't see the love in" killing babies. You really don't see that as an issue, do you? That's what i mean by "oblivious".

Bizarre.

 

[RaymondG]

Besides, What is nice about killing a defenseless little baby, the most innocent of human kind?

If they'll be nice so will we.

So you believe that when we see evil, we should become evil? You know...... hate our enemies, wish evil against those that curse us, do bad things to those that hate us and persecute us?

 

[RaymondG]

It's very heard to believe you/others are totally oblivious to the side that says "we don't see the love in" killing babies. You really don't see that as an issue, do you? That's what i mean by "oblivious".

Bizarre.

I do see it, understand it, and find no fault in you feeling that way.....as I stated. But I dont become evil because I see it.....and I find little value in condemning those who do evil......but much value is finding solutions and showing light.

Count the threads dedicated to condemning the act and the one who has had this procedure....and contrast that with those that ask for solutions or ways to lower the number of cases....

You will see that it is far easier to condemn than it is to think about and find solutions......even if we save one child after years of brainstorming...it would be worth it...... But why take years of our time to help one child with no outward rewards, when we can be praised by many for taking 2 seconds to post that our sisters are murderers?

 

[danbuter]

You must be nice to baby murderers! It's their choice to kill!

Remember when Democrats loved calling US soldiers baby-killers? Now the Dems do it on a massive scale and act like they are the good people.

 

[RaymondG]

You must be nice to baby murderers! It's their choice to kill!

No, you do not have to........you have the ability to choose....as all should. And I would not condemn you for whatever decision you decide to make.

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

 

[carp614]

It is true that it's emotional and difficult to be loving in a debate on the topic.

It's challenging to respect arguments you think are wrong or false. We aren't taught to do that well (in my opinion. At least, I wasn't, but I'm really trying).

Honestly, I'm weary of the obvious logical fallacies and obvious logical truths (like murder is bad and personal responsibility is important) that pro choice arguments totally sidestep. It makes it really hard to "debate" the issue politely. After a while it feels like your being condescended to. That creates a situation wherein it is easy to become disrespectful to the other party without thinking about it.

I'm sorry if what I said offended you. I respect your person hood. I do not apologize for my beliefs. I think that about covers it for me.

 

[Archivist]

Isn't that for the most part, what abortion is all about? And If this is what you mean by impolite, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid there is no nice way to call a murderer a murderer, or to say that IS pro abortion.

See, some of us see it as such an atrocity that it may very well end some up in a very bad place, and that's not to even mention the killing of the child, so we feel that is the only way to wake people up/get their attention

Besides, What is nice about killing a defenseless little baby, the most innocent of human kind?

If they'll be nice so will we.

I haven’t killed any “defenseless little babies.” In fact, as I said, I’m personally opposed to abortion. I simply believe that the choice must remain with the pregnant woman. How does that make me pro-murder or pro-abortion?

Are you pro-democracy? Does that make you pro-Nazi? After all, they could win an election.

 

[Archivist]

It is true that it's emotional and difficult to be loving in a debate on the topic.

It's challenging to respect arguments you think are wrong or false. We aren't taught to do that well (in my opinion. At least, I wasn't, but I'm really trying).

Honestly, I'm weary of the obvious logical fallacies and obvious logical truths (like murder is bad and personal responsibility is important) that pro choice arguments totally sidestep. It makes it really hard to "debate" the issue politely. After a while it feels like your being condescended to. That creates a situation wherein it is easy to become disrespectful to the other party without thinking about it.

I'm sorry if what I said offended you. I respect your person hood. I do not apologize for my beliefs. I think that about covers it for me.

And, again, if we all try to be polite we can carry on discussions regarding abortion without being reduced to name calling. You can say “I understand that you are pro choice.” Why do some seem compelled to use “pro-murder” or “pro-abortion?”

 

[carp614]

And, again, if we all try to be polite we can carry on discussions regarding abortion without being reduced to name calling. You can say “I understand that you are pro choice.” Why do some seem compelled to use “pro-murder” or “pro-abortion?”

Ok so I get why you don't like the pro-murder moniker. It's pretty nasty. What's wrong with pro abortion?

Oh I think I see. You are parsing the meaning to focus on the woman's ability/opportunity to choose whether or not to have an abortion, right? The choice part is more important than the abortion part? is that it?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Isn't that for the most part, what abortion is all about? And If this is what you mean by impolite, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid there is no nice way to call a murderer a murderer, or to say that IS pro abortion.

See, some of us see it as such an atrocity that it may very well end some up in a very bad place, and that's not to even mention the killing of the child, so we feel that is the only way to wake people up/get their attention

Besides, What is nice about killing a defenseless little baby, the most innocent of human kind?

If they'll be nice so will we.

I interpret this post as choosing not to think twice about what Archive meant because it is obvious to me. He could not have stated it any better. Pro-choice is literally that - supporting a woman's right to decide if she wants to finish the nine months of her pregnancy. This is not supporting murder. Why not? Murder, obviously, is killing any human, regardless of his/her life stage. So to be pro-murder, one mut support all of the first-degree murders that land people in prison. Until the federal government changes the meaning of murder to include unborn babies, it is not murder.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Carp, pro-abortion is not a good term either because pro-choice people don't tell women, "You should get an abortion." Nobody who is on the pro-choice side recommends abortions to women just because they're OK with making the freedom to choose legal.

 

[carp614]

Carp, pro-abortion is not a good term either because pro-choice people don't tell women, "You should get an abortion." Nobody who is on the pro-choice side recommends abortions to women just because they're OK with making the freedom to choose legal.

ok, so now I kind of get why you don't like it and you don't want to be referred to as Pro-Abortion.

I have to say though this whole thing feels like a red herring, since in the vast majority of cases the women involved actually do have a choice about whether or not to have sex. If you have the ability to choose not to have sex, why do you need the choice to terminate a pregnancy? And then you say, but what about the ridiculously tiny fraction of pregnancies that result from rape or incest? and then I say but why should the baby have to pay a price for the actions of others? Then you say something like well you shouldn't even have a say since you are a man or something about Roe V Wade...and we never get anywhere because you will never convince me that abortion is anything other than murder and I will never convince you that you should be against that.

Blah, blah, blah. Honestly the whole thing is just exhausting and I question whether any of this furthers the cause of Christ. I really doubt it does.

I'm sorry...I really don't mean to be a jerk. I promise I'm not mad at you. I respect you really. I'm sorry if that isn't coming across like it should.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The "choice" people have is whether to accept God's choice or not. Since most people on earth reject God's choice, what difference can anything in this forum make ?

p.s. Jesus is not polite. Thus, those who follow Jesus are not polite either. That is a human/ fleshly attribute not found throughout Scripture, nor required for God's Plan or Purpose anywhere.

 

[bekkilyn]

The "choice" people have is whether to accept God's choice or not. Since most people on earth reject God's choice, what difference can anything in this forum make ?

p.s. Jesus is not polite. Thus, those who follow Jesus are not polite either. That is a human/ fleshly attribute not found throughout Scripture, nor required for God's Plan or Purpose anywhere.

Except that God has not clarified what his choice is on this particular issue. It's not mentioned anywhere in scripture.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Except that God has not clarified what his choice is on this particular issue. It's not mentioned anywhere in scripture.

Look up what GOD WRITES on the hearts and minds of HIS CHILDREN, clearly and completely in line with and perfect harmony with ALL SCRIPTURE, ALL HIS PLAN, ALL HIS PURPOSE.
Those walking by the spirit, not walking by the flesh, are led by God.

 

[Archivist]

Look up what GOD WRITES on the hearts and minds of HIS CHILDREN, clearly and completely in line with and perfect harmony with ALL SCRIPTURE, ALL HIS PLAN, ALL HIS PURPOSE.
Those walking by the spirit, not walking by the flesh, are led by God.

Interesting. This pro-choice person is being led by God as much as you, maybe more.

 

[Archivist]

ok, so now I kind of get why you don't like it and you don't want to be referred to as Pro-Abortion.

I have to say though this whole thing feels like a red herring, since in the vast majority of cases the women involved actually do have a choice about whether or not to have sex. If you have the ability to choose not to have sex, why do you need the choice to terminate a pregnancy? And then you say, but what about the ridiculously tiny fraction of pregnancies that result from rape or incest? and then I say but why should the baby have to pay a price for the actions of others? Then you say something like well you shouldn't even have a say since you are a man or something about Roe V Wade...and we never get anywhere because you will never convince me that abortion is anything other than murder and I will never convince you that you should be against that.

Blah, blah, blah. Honestly the whole thing is just exhausting and I question whether any of this furthers the cause of Christ. I really doubt it does.

I'm sorry...I really don't mean to be a jerk. I promise I'm not mad at you. I respect you really. I'm sorry if that isn't coming across like it should.

No one is saying taht we can't disagree on the issue. I'm just asking that we be polite about it.