Eternal Conscious Hell Fire is completely Justified

do you believe in a literal eternal hell fire?


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No, I just don’t like throwing souls into an equation and acting like nothing crazy just happened.
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Over ten thousand are dying every week.... thousands of hunger and thirst because nations do not care ,
hundreds or thousands of man-made or propagated/permitted diseases .....

That's crzy , isn't it !?
 
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Over ten thousand are dying every week.... thousands of hunger and thirst because nations do not care ,
hundreds or thousands of man-made or propagated/permitted diseases .....

That's crzy , isn't it !?
Awful, but not pertinent to the Hell discussion. Gradyll tried to argue that souls are massless and that because massless things aren’t affected by time (as we observe in photons traveling at the speed of light) then it follows that souls aren’t affected by time and therefore... I don’t know. Any punishment is infinite for them? Anyway, I’m just telling him he doesn’t need to apply theoretical physics to souls. Souls would be metaphysical and it’s hard to say anything definitive about what it means for a “timeless” entity to experience anything at all. He keeps returning to his analogy of the flatlander because he thinks I can’t wrap my head around how a 4th or 5th dimension would work, but truthfully that problem is beside the point.
 
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Awful, but not pertinent to the Hell discussion. Gradyll tried to argue that souls are massless and that because massless things aren’t affected by time (as we observe in photons traveling at the speed of light) then it follows that souls aren’t affected by time and therefore... I don’t know. Any punishment is infinite for them? Anyway, I’m just telling him he doesn’t need to apply theoretical physics to souls. Souls would be metaphysical and it’s hard to say anything definitive about what it means for a “timeless” entity to experience anything at all. He keeps returning to his analogy of the flatlander because he thinks I can’t wrap my head around how a 4th or 5th dimension would work, but truthfully that problem is beside the point.
fwiw, most people (including most so-called 'Christian' ideas about heaven and about hell come from myths brought in , so to speak, from greek or other nations thousand plus years ago - not from Scripture.
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but if you are seeking the truth, it does.
 
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fwiw, most people (including most so-called 'Christian' ideas about heaven and about hell come from myths brought in , so to speak, from greek or other nations thousand plus years ago - not from Scripture.
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but if you are seeking the truth, it does.
I agree, and in fact some of the Hell tradition even comes from Dante’s Inferno from the Divine Comedy.
 
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Yes, this is a good point for testing many things that are believed or stated anywhere.

it's actually a fallacy to claim that because the majority believe something, it is therefore true. It's called the fallacy of popularity, the fallacy of the popular majority, or the bandwagon fallacy, there are half a dozen related fallacies of this sort.
 
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The concept of the immortal soul is not there. And the soul does go to the grave---it is the breath of God that gives life, when it dies, all of the body dies. For a Christian, death is but a sleep.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
no the soul does not go to the grave. Not in that verse you quoted or any other. The word for hell there is gehennah, not sheol. Sheol would be grave. Gehennah is equivalent to the lake of fire.

Also I await your response to why the wicked are resurrected just to be put back in the grave. It's like a yo yo theology.

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It is much more logical to view the grave as a holding place before the judgement, then resurrect the body to be united with the soul to be judged, then given a proper punishment in hell. (eternal hell fire)
 
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no the soul does not go to the grave. Not in that verse you quoted or any other. The word for hell there is gehennah, not sheol. Sheol would be grave. Gehennah is equivalent to the lake of fire. Also I await your response to why the wicked are resurrected just to be put back in the grave. It's like a yo yo theology.

Everyone must face judgement--the saved are resurrected unto eternal life---I am still waiting for the verse that states the wicked will also get eternal life. The wicked must pay the price for their sins---according to their works. Burning forever is not according to their works if everyone gets the same sentence. If we go to hell upon death---Cain would be burning much longer for his one murder than Hitler ever will for his millions. Everyone will acknowledge the God of the universe--

Isa_45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Php_2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


As long as there is a hell, there will be no remade earth, there will still be tears, pain and as long as there is a sinner--there is sin. All will be destroyed in the lake of fire, including death itself.
 
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it's actually a fallacy to claim that because the majority believe something, it is therefore true. It's called the fallacy of popularity, the fallacy of the popular majority, or the bandwagon fallacy, there are half a dozen related fallacies of this sort.
Unless that group is a panel of experts. Then it’s a perfectly appropriate appeal to authority.
 
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Over ten thousand are dying every week.... thousands of hunger and thirst because nations do not care ,
hundreds or thousands of man-made or propagated/permitted diseases .....

That's crzy , isn't it !?

Awful, but not pertinent to the Hell discussion. Gradyll tried to argue that souls are massless and that because massless things aren’t affected by time (as we observe in photons traveling at the speed of light) then it follows that souls aren’t affected by time and therefore... I don’t know. Any punishment is infinite for them? Anyway, I’m just telling him he doesn’t need to apply theoretical physics to souls. Souls would be metaphysical and it’s hard to say anything definitive about what it means for a “timeless” entity to experience anything at all. He keeps returning to his analogy of the flatlander because he thinks I can’t wrap my head around how a 4th or 5th dimension would work, but truthfully that problem is beside the point.
remember you said that timeless beings could not experience anything at all, yet without proof. Then I mentioned that three dimensional being has more freedom than a two dimensional being. As per geometry. Then added that time is only the fourth dimension, a being higher than the fourth dimension would have more freedom, not less. So that refutes your objection that a timeless being would not have the ability to experience anything, because in your limited viewpoint, that takes time to do so. But like I said, experience does not take time. It's affects are different in time than they would be outside of time, but they are not limited to the time domain. You have no proof of this.
 
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remember you said that timeless beings could not experience anything at all, yet without proof. Then I mentioned that three dimensional being has more freedom than a two dimensional being. As per geometry. Then added that time is only the fourth dimension, a being higher than the fourth dimension would have more freedom, not less. So that refutes your objection that a timeless being would not have the ability to experience anything, because in your limited viewpoint, that takes time to do so. But like I said, experience does not take time. It's affects are different in time than they would be outside of time, but they are not limited to the time domain. You have no proof of this.
You assume time isn’t the highest dimension and you assume souls exist in some dimension higher than time. You assume souls are subject to natural laws even though you think they are supernatural. You’re writing science fiction and calling it proof.
 
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You assume time isn’t the highest dimension and you assume souls exist in some dimension higher than time. You assume souls are subject to natural laws even though you think they are supernatural. You’re writing science fiction and calling it proof.
I don't assume souls are higher, the fact they are massless proves they are in a higher dimension. All information exists in a higher dimension. It's all about general relativity. E=MC squared.
 
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I don't assume souls are higher, the fact they are massless proves they are in a higher dimension. All information exists in a higher dimension. It's all about general relativity. E=MC squared.

Who says that the resurrected wicked will be transformed into anything other than what they died as? The saved are changed at His coming, given immortality and transformed into healthy beautiful bodies---nothing states the wicked are changed at all for their judgement.
 
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I agree, and in fact some of the Hell tradition even comes from Dante’s Inferno from the Divine Comedy.
Maybe Dante got his ideas from the Jews who preceded Dante by a few hundred years..
…..According to three irrefutable Jewish sources; the Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud, quoted below, among the Jews in Israel before and during the time of Jesus there was a belief in a place of everlasting torment of the wicked and they called it both sheol and gehinnom.
…..Clarification: There were different groups within Judaism; Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes etc. and there were different beliefs about resurrection, hell etc. That there were other beliefs does not rebut, refute, change or disprove anything in this post.

Jewish Encyclopedia, Gehenna
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);
[Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT supposed bias of Christian translators. DA]
(I)n general …sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell(B.M. 83b).
But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]
… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [ שׁאול /Sheol]] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch [x. 6, xci. 9, etal] also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according toIsa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b).

Link: Jewish Encyclopedia Online
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Encyclopedia Judaica:
Gehinnom (Heb. גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּי בְנֵי הִנֹּם, גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּיא הִנֹּם; Gr. Γέεννα; "Valley of Ben-Hinnom, Valley of [the Son (s) of] Hinnom," Gehenna), a valley south of Jerusalem on one of the borders between the territories of Judah and Benjamin, between the Valley of *Rephaim and *En-Rogel (Josh. 15:8; 18:16). It is identified with Wadi er-Rababi.

…..During the time of the Monarchy, Gehinnom, at a place called Topheth, was the site of a cult which involved the burning of children (II Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31; 32:35 et al. ; ). Jeremiah repeatedly condemned this cult and predicted that on its account Topheth and the Valley of the Son of Hinnom would be called the Valley of the "Slaughter" (Jer. 19:5–6).
In Judaism the name Gehinnom is generally used as an appellation of the place of torment reserved for the wicked after death. The New Testament used the Greek form Gehenna in the same sense.
Gehinnom
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Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [followers of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]: "And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written[Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more. Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."
Link: Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.
When Jesus taught e.g. about,
• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned the existing Jewish view of eternal hell, outlined above. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence. A punishment worse than death without mercy is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as merely death, it would have meant something worse to them.
…..Concerning “punishment” one early church father wrote,

“‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.” Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 4
…..Jesus undoubtedly knew what the Jews, believed about hell. If the Jews were wrong, why would Jesus teach “eternal punishment,” etc. to Jews who believed, "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity," which only reinforced those beliefs.
 
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I don't assume souls are higher, the fact they are massless proves they are in a higher dimension. All information exists in a higher dimension. It's all about general relativity. E=MC squared.
Not at all.
 
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Who says that the resurrected wicked will be transformed into anything other than what they died as? The saved are changed at His coming, given immortality and transformed into healthy beautiful bodies---nothing states the wicked are changed at all for their judgement.

That is an assumption I make, sort of like the assumption of three in one. That phrase only exists in one verse, many which say it was added at a later date into the manuscript by erasmus. But I don't believe that. But I do believe that the flesh of the wicked will be glorified (or at minimal changed in a way that allows them to endure eternal flames). AND/OR the flames will be of a sort that will inflict pain but not actually consume the flesh, but still the flesh will have to have some sort of alteration, as people get older, and flesh decays, so they will need some type of glorification, but I don't know for sure. One of those things for sure is what will happen. What won't happen is there will be a resurrection of the wicked, just to put them back in grave. That is yo yo theology.
 
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That is an assumption I make, sort of like the assumption of three in one. That phrase only exists in one verse, many which say it was added at a later date into the manuscript by erasmus. But I don't believe that. But I do believe that the flesh of the wicked will be glorified (or at minimal changed in a way that allows them to endure eternal flames). AND/OR the flames will be of a sort that will inflict pain but not actually consume the flesh, but still the flesh will have to have some sort of alteration, as people get older, and flesh decays, so they will need some type of glorification, but I don't know for sure. One of those things for sure is what will happen. What won't happen is there will be a resurrection of the wicked, just to put them back in grave. That is yo yo theology.

3 in one is not an assumption, it is a concept in the scriptures. Immortal soul is not.

Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Adam and Eve were not created immortal, they required the tree of life and that is why they were kicked out of the garden to avoid them eating of it and living forever. The saved get the tree of life back

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Where does it say the tree of life is given to the lost, where does it say eternal life if given to the lost?
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
oh_3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh_6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 
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Maybe Dante got his ideas from the Jews who preceded Dante by a few hundred years..
…..According to three irrefutable Jewish sources; the Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud, quoted below, among the Jews in Israel before and during the time of Jesus there was a belief in a place of everlasting torment of the wicked and they called it both sheol and gehinnom.
…..Clarification: There were different groups within Judaism; Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes etc. and there were different beliefs about resurrection, hell etc. That there were other beliefs does not rebut, refute, change or disprove anything in this post.

Jewish Encyclopedia, Gehenna
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);
[Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT supposed bias of Christian translators. DA]
(I)n general …sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell(B.M. 83b).
But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]
… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [ שׁאול /Sheol]] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch [x. 6, xci. 9, etal] also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according toIsa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b).

Link: Jewish Encyclopedia Online
Note, scripture references are highlighted in blue.
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Encyclopedia Judaica:
Gehinnom (Heb. גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּי בְנֵי הִנֹּם, גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּיא הִנֹּם; Gr. Γέεννα; "Valley of Ben-Hinnom, Valley of [the Son (s) of] Hinnom," Gehenna), a valley south of Jerusalem on one of the borders between the territories of Judah and Benjamin, between the Valley of *Rephaim and *En-Rogel (Josh. 15:8; 18:16). It is identified with Wadi er-Rababi.

…..During the time of the Monarchy, Gehinnom, at a place called Topheth, was the site of a cult which involved the burning of children (II Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31; 32:35 et al. ; ). Jeremiah repeatedly condemned this cult and predicted that on its account Topheth and the Valley of the Son of Hinnom would be called the Valley of the "Slaughter" (Jer. 19:5–6).
In Judaism the name Gehinnom is generally used as an appellation of the place of torment reserved for the wicked after death. The New Testament used the Greek form Gehenna in the same sense.
Gehinnom
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [followers of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]: "And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written[Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more. Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."
Link: Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.
When Jesus taught e.g. about,
• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned the existing Jewish view of eternal hell, outlined above. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence. A punishment worse than death without mercy is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as merely death, it would have meant something worse to them.
…..Concerning “punishment” one early church father wrote,

“‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.” Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 4
…..Jesus undoubtedly knew what the Jews, believed about hell. If the Jews were wrong, why would Jesus teach “eternal punishment,” etc. to Jews who believed, "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity," which only reinforced those beliefs.
Maybe. I had thought Jews didn’t believe in Hell, was I wrong? Or did something change?
 
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it's actually a fallacy to claim that because the majority believe something, it is therefore true. It's called the fallacy of popularity, the fallacy of the popular majority, or the bandwagon fallacy, there are half a dozen related fallacies of this sort.
Correct.
But then, who said that because the majority believe something, it is therefore true ?

p.s. tangent: It is possibly related to the fallacy that people's voting for something , anything, is a good thing. Since the majority, according to all Scripture , are evil and are under the prince of the power of the air, voting is their power to accomplish evil,
if anyone's vote actually counts.
 
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Correct.
But then, who said that because the majority believe something, it is therefore true ?

p.s. tangent: It is possibly related to the fallacy that people's voting for something , anything, is a good thing. Since the majority, according to all Scripture , are evil and are under the prince of the power of the air, voting is their power to accomplish evil,
if anyone's vote actually counts.

that is assumed, that because the majority believe something that is it true. People mention the majority to give backing to their claims, but the majority is not our authority. And regarding voting, yes I agree. The majority are voting for worldly people, it does not matter which of the two parties are in power. I currently believe ron paul is the most biblical candidate for president.
 
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