The Bible only, other questions

[Albion]

Where in the Bible does it say "invite Jesus into your heart"? Where does it say to obsess about the end times? Where does it say that each person should look at the Bible an figure out things for themselves?

I'm not getting why any of that relates to Sola Scriptura.

Wait a minute. Now I see. You do not know what Sola Scriptura/Bible alone means! It looks, from those questions, that you are interpreting the term to mean that there is no knowledge in the universe that can be known except by reading the Bible--or, if not that, then it means that everything which needs to be known for any reason on any subject is thought by reformed Christians to be in the Bible.

Please comment.

 

[GodsGrace101]

What else would you suggest we need?



Those exact words? Not that I know of...so? Do you really believe just because those exact words, in that exact order, aren't in the bible, that the comment is any less true?

And are you saying we don't need to invite Jesus into our heart?



Nowhere, that I know of. Do you obsess about that?



Why, would you rather someone else did it for you? If so, are you just plain lazy or do you not think yourself capable?

Most persons are not capable.
This is why there are so many conflicting doctrines in the Protestant faith.

For instance, some believe Paul is saying works are not necessary for salvation...

When what he is really speaking about it works OF THE LAW. It's difficult to understand this difference if one doesn't know a little bit about covenants.

 

[frogoon234]

Most persons are not capable.
This is why there are so many conflicting doctrines in the Protestant faith.

For instance, some believe Paul is saying works are not necessary for salvation...

When what he is really speaking about it works OF THE LAW. It's difficult to understand this difference if one doesn't know a little bit about covenants.

I would argue this attests to the fact that we should accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross and that if in doubt about our own judgement we should just turn the other cheek as Jesus said to do. A American Judge in the American judicial system is not at luxury to do this. For the rest of us this is a sliding scale or spectrum sort of thing.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Most persons are not capable.
This is why there are so many conflicting doctrines in the Protestant faith.

For instance, some believe Paul is saying works are not necessary for salvation...

When what he is really speaking about it works OF THE LAW. It's difficult to understand this difference if one doesn't know a little bit about covenants.

I think that reaction to what Paul taught is people more in denial than it is incapable. They love their do nothing but "say" we have faith, salvation, even to the point, they don't have to obey the one they have faith in.

We can fix incapable, but denial, that's a whole nother ball game.

 

[frogoon234]

I think that reaction to what Paul taught is people more in denial than it is incapable. They love their do nothing but "say" we have faith, salvation, even to the point, they don't have to obey the one they have faith in.

We can fix incapable, but denial, that's a whole nother ball game.

I would agree with this if we were born and 10 days later we died and went to heaven. Suffering is suffering. Jesus had a breaking point and so do we. Jesus Christ said at passover that he wouldn't drink wine until he reached heaven and then at the cross someone gave him vinegar. That was a grey area so he assumed he himself was at his breaking point and he gave up his ghost and said "it is finished". We too have our limits. Imagine working a job you reallly hate every day for 50 years. Once saved always saved.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I think that reaction to what Paul taught is people more in denial than it is incapable. They love their do nothing but "say" we have faith, salvation, even to the point, they don't have to obey the one they have faith in.

We can fix incapable, but denial, that's a whole nother ball game.

You're right.
I do believe that even with no help at all, one reading the N.T. can understand that Jesus expects us to do SOMETHING. There are plenty of things in the N.T. that Jesus said we are to do,,,some are actions, some are non-action and some are behavioral.

But think of this: Would we understand about the Trinity without some help?

Salvation is easy to understand by just reading,,but some concepts require some real study.

 

[frogoon234]

You're right.
I do believe that even with no help at all, one reading the N.T. can understand that Jesus expects us to do SOMETHING. There are plenty of things in the N.T. that Jesus said we are to do,,,some are actions, some are non-action and some are behavioral.

But think of this: Would we understand about the Trinity without some help?

Salvation is easy to understand by just reading,,but some concepts require some real study.

How much effort or productivity is neccesary for salvation from eternal suffering?

 

[GodsGrace101]

I would argue this attests to the fact that we should accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross and that if in doubt about our own judgement we should just turn the other cheek as Jesus said to do. A American Judge in the American judicial system is not at luxury to do this. For the rest of us this is a sliding scale or spectrum sort of thing.

I'm not sure what you're saying.
We must accept Jesus' sacrifice if we're to be saved.
What do you mean about doubt of our own judgement and turning our cheek?

 

[Albion]

Most persons are not capable.
This is why there are so many conflicting doctrines in the Protestant faith.

If there actually were a single *Protestant faith,* it could not, by definition, be in conflict with itself.

 

[frogoon234]

I'm not sure what you're saying.
We must accept Jesus' sacrifice if we're to be saved.
What do you mean about doubt of our own judgement and turning our cheek?

Other than being saved from eternal suffering, we should just be nice to people if we don't feel or don't judge ourselves to be intelligent enough to understand scripture. I like to read the first chapter of Proverbs. Ofcourse true humility is greater than wizdom. Jesus looks after those he loves.

 

[GodsGrace101]

How much effort or productivity is neccesary for salvation from eternal suffering?

Well, what are you asking?
How much work I have to do to be saved?

Answer this: How much faith is necessary to be saved?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Other than being saved from eternal suffering, we should just be nice to people if we don't feel or don't judge ourselves to be intelligent enough to understand scripture. I like to read the first chapter of Proverbs. Ofcourse true humility is greater than wizdom. Jesus looks after those he loves.

Oh. I agree 100%.
Jesus did not only save us from damnation...
He also saved us to make a better world.
He meant us to be a member of His Kingdom right here on earth. He envisioned a better planet, a better life for us...and indeed it will be better if we follow God's precepts.

Also, Scripture is for everyone.
It's for the simple and it's for the biblical scholar.
The bible is a miracle.

 

[GodsGrace101]

If there actually were a single *Protestant faith,* it could not, by definition, be in conflict with itself.

Don't you think there should have been only one?
Why has it changed so much from the beginning?
Maybe because scholars realized it was wrong?

The reformation was necessary because of what was going on in the original church...
OTOH, it's a mess as of today. I hardly know what a protestant is anymore.

 

[frogoon234]

Well, what are you asking?
How much work I have to do to be saved?

Answer this: How much faith is necessary to be saved?

Thats a good point. I'm not sure how to answer that.

 

[klutedavid]

Who said we need the Bible alone? Where in the Bible does it say "invite Jesus into your heart"? Where does it say to obsess about the end times? Where does it say that each person should look at the Bible an figure out things for themselves?

The New Testament contains the written testimony of the apostles of Jesus Christ.

So to be as precise as possible, we must first examine these written testimonies in detail. To understand the gospel of Jesus Christ.

We cannot trust church fathers, church tradition, or any other form for the transmission of the gospel.

I believe that is the main reason why there is so much confusion within Christianity.

 

[BrotherD]

Psalm 18:30 KJV — As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

Proverbs 30:5 KJV — Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Isaiah 40:8 KJV — The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 4:4 KJV — But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 10:17 KJV — So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV — For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV — For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 John 2:5 KJV — But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV — All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 12:48 KJV — He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Tone]

Who said we need the Bible alone? Where in the Bible does it say "invite Jesus into your heart"? Where does it say to obsess about the end times? Where does it say that each person should look at the Bible an figure out things for themselves?

e·van·gel·i·cal
/ˌēvanˈjelək(ə)l/
adjective

1. 1.
   of or according to the teaching of the gospel or the Christian religion.

tra·di·tion
/trəˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.
   "every shade of color is fixed by tradition and governed by religious laws"
   synonyms: historical convention, unwritten law, oral history, heritage;More
   • 
     
2. 2.
   THEOLOGY
   a doctrine believed to have divine authority though not in the scripture

Evangelism is a Biblical tradition, so it is not the tradition of men. Now, the "Bible Alone" part...is that due to the gospel message being contained in the Bible? If so, I can see someone saying that the Bible alone is enough to communicate the message, but, of course, we need preachers and ultimately, His Spirit to Breathe true life into the hearer.

 

[Albion]

Don't you think there should have been only one?

Ideally, yes. I also think that there should have been only one Catholic Church, too, but they began splitting before there even was a Protestant.

 

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