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You can call me what you wish, but I hold marriage in a very high standard and always will.

This is why my divorce tore me apart and left me for dead when it happened.

Also, Are you not the same judging me for my opinions?

prejudice and bigotry?

You are prejudice against my point of view and also being a bigot to your own understanding?
 
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And to your husband, if you gave your self to him, and he gave him self to you, this was the promiss in the church marriage.

I'm committed to him; I'm not his property.
I have, and am allowed to have, ideas, thoughts and dreams/goals; so is he. He is called to beach missions, for example; I'm not and don't do them.
 
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You can call me what you wish, but I hold marriage in a very high standard and always will.

This is why my divorce tore me apart and left me for dead when it happened.

Also, Are you not the same judging me for my opinions?

prejudice and bigotry?

You are prejudice against my point of view and also being a bigot to your own understanding?

So because you were hurt, it somehow gives you the right to hurt others by your opinion? (And yes, a very prejudiced opinion.) It's one thing to have high standards of marriage, but it's quite another thing to blame an entire class of people for what happened to you and state that they (people who never wronged you in any way) must be censured simply for existing.
 
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be influenced by the evils of the world.

why does she need to be protected from exposure to the evils of the world, while its seems its believed that the husband doesn't need to be protected?

Is she somehow more fragile mentally and emotionally, and needs to be protected or else she will crack like an egg?

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So because you were hurt, it somehow gives you the right to hurt others by your opinion? (And yes, a very prejudiced opinion.) It's one thing to have high standards of marriage, but it's quite another thing to blame an entire class of people for what happened to you and state that they (people who never wronged you in any way) must be censured simply for existing.

Who am I hurting?

No one.

Who did I blame?

No one

I quoted facts, not opinion.

It takes 2 to cheat, I blame no one so stop putting words into my mouth.
 
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I'm committed to him; I'm not his property.
I have, and am allowed to have, ideas, thoughts and dreams/goals; so is he. He is called to beach missions, for example; I'm not and don't do them.

Your not property, your human, your a human being, but, he still owns you and you own him, that is what marriage is about.

So your saying you give him full permission to sleep with who he wishes to?

If so, then you can say you do not own him.

If you give him permissions, this is ownership.

If I go to you as a spouse, and ask if Its aright with you if I go to another country for 5 weeks, this is ownership.
 
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There's a world of difference between spouses working together as a team, and being "owned." I seek to work with my husband as a team in life, but I don't own him and he doesn't own me.

I think, for women, who have a long history of being treated as property, denied basic rights, and so on, the language of "ownership" in marriage is particularly inflammatory.
 
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There's a world of difference between spouses working together as a team, and being "owned." I seek to work with my husband as a team in life, but I don't own him and he doesn't own me.

I think, for women, who have a long history of being treated as property, denied basic rights, and so on, the language of "ownership" in marriage is particularly inflammatory.

I find it funny how when you give your self to some one you are giving them ownership to them, you did this your self, but some how it is property.

Property is something you bought or made, A spouse is someone you married and should be held with the highest respect over all property.

Ownership has nothing to do with property.

I would rather be cared for to the point of ownership .
 
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See, I would say that ownership is the relationship between a piece of property and its owner.

I'd say that's why you're getting such an uncongenial set of responses. The way you are speaking, many of us are reading it as "you are the property of your spouse."
 
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See, I would say that ownership is the relationship between a piece of property and its owner.

I'd say that's why you're getting such an uncongenial set of responses. The way you are speaking, many of us are reading it as "you are the property of your spouse."

But thats the whole point.

To be owned,

This is why we marry , And to be honest I do not know one person in real life who does not want to be owned.

There is no greater gift a spouse can give then your life and ownership.

Even children grow up, move away, live there life, but your spouse, will always be there.

If I could have anything, and I am being honest, as I looks people are not.

I want to be owned, it far greater then being cheated on, lied to and adultery happen.

I know this life all to well.
 
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Your not property, your human, your a human being, but, he still owns you and you own him, that is what marriage is about.

So your saying you give him full permission to sleep with who he wishes to?

If he can face the consequences - losing me, sinning against God and so on; then yes.
 
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But thats the whole point.

To be owned,

This is why we marry , And to be honest I do not know one person in real life who does not want to be owned.

I don't; I want to be loved and cherished.
I want my husband to stay with me because he loves me and wants to honour the vows he made, before God, to me. Those vows were to love, cherish and worship - not own.
Mine were to love, honour and obey - not to own or get possessive about.
 
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If he can face the consequences - losing me, sinning against God and so on; then yes.

That is a statement of ownership.

I don't; I want to be loved and cherished.
I want my husband to stay with me because he loves me and wants to honour the vows he made, before God, to me. Those vows were to love, cherish and worship - not own.
Mine were to love, honour and obey - not to own or get possessive about.

No one ever said anything about being possessive .

You gave your self to him, and he gave himself to you, that is ownership.

The license is a ownership license, that is what it is for.

There is no better love and vow then to be wanted so bad, that you are owned and you gave your self and life, to the other person.

And, If you will not forgive cheating, then what is love?

Is it not forgiving? Understanding?

I'm not here to preach, but I just saw that and understand, your love looks in your own conversation, to be one sided?

I dont know, I'm probably wrong.

If my ex came back to me right now, Instant forgiveness, completely forgiven.

Adultery or not.
 
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But thats the whole point.

To be owned,

This is why we marry , And to be honest I do not know one person in real life who does not want to be owned.

I absolutely do not want to be owned.

That is not why I married. I married to join my life with my husband's, to live with him in unity, loving and cherishing one another.

Not to be owned. I'd rather live single than have someone think he "owns" me.
 
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That is a statement of ownership.

Maybe we are defining "ownership" differently, then.
If I were to say to him, "no way are you sleeping with anyone else, ever. You made a commitment to me and have to keep it" - that would be ownership. Especially if I followed it up by using a tracking device, going through his phone, or demanding to know where he was at all times.
Saying that I don't mind my husband sleeping with someone else - as long as he can deal with the consequences, is not ownership.

No one ever said anything about being possessive .

Possess is another word for own.

You gave your self to him, and he gave himself to you, that is ownership.

Commitment, based on love.
If he owned me he'd have a tight to tell me what to do/wear/eat/what friends to have etc; he doesn't have that right.

The license is a ownership license, that is what it is for.

No, it's a legal document stating that you are married.
It doesn't mean that you cease to become a person and are owned by your spouse.

And, If you will not forgive cheating, then what is love?

A person can forgive an adulterous spouse, but if the marriage contract has been broken, they are under no obligation to take that person back and live with them again.
All sins can be forgiven, but they still have consequences. I've read of victims of crime forgiving their attackers/burglars - but they're not saying "oh it's ok; I'll keep you out of jail and you can do it to me again." Forgiveness means that you won't hold it against them and will seek/pray for their well-being - even if that is in jail, or somewhere away from you.

If my ex came back to me right now, Instant forgiveness, completely forgiven.

Adultery or not.

Like I said, you can forgive her but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to live with her again, nor that you'll have the same relationship as you did before.
I've forgiven people in the past; it doesn't mean I'm now friends with them.
 
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Maybe we are defining "ownership" differently, then.
If I were to say to him, "no way are you sleeping with anyone else, ever. You made a commitment to me and have to keep it" - that would be ownership. Especially if I followed it up by using a tracking device, going through his phone, or demanding to know where he was at all times.
Saying that I don't mind my husband sleeping with someone else - as long as he can deal with the consequences, is not ownership.



Possess is another word for own.



Commitment, based on love.
If he owned me he'd have a tight to tell me what to do/wear/eat/what friends to have etc; he doesn't have that right.



No, it's a legal document stating that you are married.
It doesn't mean that you cease to become a person and are owned by your spouse.



A person can forgive an adulterous spouse, but if the marriage contract has been broken, they are under no obligation to take that person back and live with them again.
All sins can be forgiven, but they still have consequences. I've read of victims of crime forgiving their attackers/burglars - but they're not saying "oh it's ok; I'll keep you out of jail and you can do it to me again." Forgiveness means that you won't hold it against them and will seek/pray for their well-being - even if that is in jail, or somewhere away from you.

Like I said, you can forgive her but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to live with her again, nor that you'll have the same relationship as you did before.
I've forgiven people in the past; it doesn't mean I'm now friends with them.

Your idea of forgiveness and Jesus truth about forgiveness is not the same.

If that person needs you back, then you take them back as Jesus said to, to reconcile with them.

Also, your forgiveness does no good if there is no action, it changed nothing, did nothing.

And also forced the other person to have a contempt heart to you for not opening your self to him.

If that person is abusive, sure, I understand.

But if that person is repented and just made a mistake and your not in harms way then there is no excuses to show love and compassion.

With that said.

You either follow Jesus or you dont.

Jesus said if you have anything against your brother, then go to him and offer a gift.

How more important is a spouse then a brother?

Also, what is your reward if you do not let them back into your life? nothing, you did what the rest of the world did, nothing.

Why do you boil every forgivness topic into a abusive one?

LEts say there is no abuse to it, lets just say he made a couple mistakes and he has a sexuall addiction and needs help and there is no one to leed him to help, it will conrtoll his lide, but you could help him, lead him into the right direction?

But becouse of your pretend forgivness with no action he is in worse repair.

We all need each other, and to pretend that you do not need to act out of being hurt, well, thats a excuses.

Im not just writting this to you, I hope all reads it, its not really just dirrected to you.

Forgiveness means to except that person back into your life unless they will harm you.
And even if, Jesus said to turn the other cheek and offer it to them. Because your the perfect example.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 
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I know this topic has been discussed at length multiple times over many years, however, it is one that doesn't seem to get old. There are two sides of the coin strongly voicing their opinion on the matter, and I rarely see the issue lie in the middle. I would like to hear from other Christians what their thoughts are on this!

I have read things from progressive Christians, saying things like there are no such thing as gender roles anymore and no man should tell them what to do. On the opposite side, I have read things like women shouldn't venture out to go to college, get jobs or be in the world outside the home, lest she compete with men and be influenced by the evils of the world. I have read that it goes against God's design for women to have a career, quoting verses such as Titus 2:5 and 1 Timothy 5:14...with some such as "The Transformed Wife" even going so far as to say that it is a sin for a woman to work outside the home.

Let me know your thoughts on this!

There are plenty of examples of women in the bible working (Ruth), doing business (Lydia), leading Israel (Deborah), and changing history (Miriam, Esther). The kind of 'women should stay at home' thing is far too basic to capture the nuanced differences in gender roles the bible actually portrays. On the other end of the scale is falling for the 'work is all you need to be fulfilled' mantra which can seem great when you are in your 20s, but can leave a person, man or woman, with little to cherish later in life. There's an interesting take on it here: Michelle Obama Lets the Truth Slip About Feminism and Motherhood
 
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1 Corinthians 7

1: Now concerning the matters about which you wrote. It is well for a man not to touch a woman. 2: But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3: The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4: For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does. 5: Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control. 6: I say this by way of concession, not of command. 7: I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. 8: To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. 9: But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion. 10: To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband 11: (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband) -- and that the husband should not divorce his wife. 12: To the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. 13: If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. 14: For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband.
 
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