Women Working Outside the Home

[RDKirk]

I wonder if this would be a wrench in the gears?

I have a girlfriend who has said to me that if she made enough money to support both us when we get married, I could stay home.

She does not like doing housework and I don't mind doing it at all. So I would be the stay at home husband and she would be the career woman.

I'm good with that!

You still can't bear children.

 

[bekkilyn]

Hopefully.
Or it might be seen as a "clique"; a separated group out of touch with reality.
Jesus got alongside people and started from where they were. We are in the world but not of it, and it's not wrong to have a job/career working alongside non Christians.

I believe that it is crucial for Christians *to* work and socialize alongside people who are not Christians (and every other sort of people), and not just live and work inside an exclusive "Christian bubble".

 

[nanookadenord]

You still can't bear children.

Nope, I cannot, but considering we don't want anymore children, that's not an issue.

 

[bekkilyn]

If Paul was alive in this day. he would argue that fact with you.

Paul was against Women working and knew every one had there place.

Its not about a woman working, its about married woman working in the workplace.

And a married woman belongs to her husband, not the workplace.

Now the real agenda comes out with this fully unscriptural view.

 

[RDKirk]

It's been mentioned before, but I'll mention it again:

The central issue is not so much "women" working outside the home or even "wives" working outside the home. People who hold that women as a gender must not work outside the home do not find validation of that extreme position in scripture.

The central issue is "mothers with young children" working outside the home.

 

[Tone]

Hopefully.
Or it might be seen as a "clique"; a separated group out of touch with reality.
Jesus got alongside people and started from where they were. We are in the world but not of it, and it's not wrong to have a job/career working alongside non Christians.

Well, being "set apart" speaks of holiness,which we are called to be. The world will never understand or accept this (Ephesians 5:13; John 3:20; John 15:18-19).

I didn't say anything about seclusion. I said, it is ideal that we live (not necessarily in the same buildings) as a congregation among the peoples, in economy with them, as it pertains to the Body's (corporation) business, which includes giving back,e.g., feeding the homeless, financial aid to widows and orphans, outreach, youth programs, etc...

No idea - I don't even know that I agree with that interpretation.

Let it fly.

That's what being in community means - sharing possessions. That's what they did in Acts. (Though not computers, obviously.)

I believe we'll be blessed to have all we need to accomplish our mission.

Money has to come from somewhere.
And I think it rather a sweeping statement to say "most believers ......". Worrying about money to pay the bills/look after the family is not materialism; and how do you know most believers do this anyway?
Possibly there's more temptation in the West, but elsewhere?

Matthew 6
"32 For the pagans strive after all these things, and your Heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own."

Most of us do; it's called a family.

A congregation is made up of families.

We can be one with other believers without living with them. Living in the same building/commune doesn't guarantee unity anyway.

I never said that everyone needs to be in the same building or commune.

don't know what any of this means.
The early church lived in the world, even though they were in a community. They went to the synagogues and to the temple, they met in other people's houses. Paul went to places where other gods were worshipped - like Ephesus and Athens - and founded churches there, in the middle of them. In Corinth, he worked as a tent maker to get money to support himself, Acts of the Apostles 18:3.

How does any of this conflict with what I have said?

 

[Archivist]

Actually, it rather did. The women's work was still concentrated within and around the house itself, and her focus was on her children, while the male work was out toward the perimeter and men were away from the house for most of the day.

Actually the male children, once they reached about age 8, would be out working with their father. Yes, the mother had duties around the house, but she also had duties on the farm. Most farms had a kitchen garden where vegetables were raised for family consumption. Working the kitchen garden was almost exclusively the role of the wife. During planting and harvest everyone was out in the fields working.

The fact that the father might be working further away from the house is irrelevant. He is still working "at home."

 

[Strong in Him]

And a married woman belongs to her husband, not the workplace.

Wives do not BELONG to their husbands - I certainly don't.
The only person I belong to is Jesus; he paid the price for me.

 

[Strong in Him]

Paul said clearly What the rules where for men and women

No he didn't.
He taught about the gifts of the Spirit - teacher, evangelist, Pastor and so on, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11 - and did not say that some of them were only for men. He had female prophets, deacons, deaconesses and co-workers in his churches.

And all the jobs other then a seamstress was done by a man.

Deborah was judge over the whole nation.
Rachel was a shepherdess, Genesis 29:9.
Deborah, Miriam,Huldah and Isaiah's wife were prophetesses.
Ruth gathered, and threshed, corn, Ruth 2:3, Ruth 2:17. Did you know that when Ruth went and lay under Boaz's blanket, Ruth 3:9, she was in fact proposing to him?
Esther was Queen.
Lydia was a dealer in fine materials, Acts of the Apostles 16:14.
Paul, Aquila and Priscilla were tent-makers, Acts of the Apostles 18:3

 

[RDKirk]

Actually the male children, once they reached about age 8, would be out working with their father. Yes, the mother had duties around the house, but she also had duties on the farm. Most farms had a kitchen garden where vegetables were raised for family consumption. Working the kitchen garden was almost exclusively the role of the wife. During planting and harvest everyone was out in the fields working.

The fact that the father might be working further away from the house is irrelevant. He is still working "at home."

It is certainly relevant. He was not in the home with the small children all day, as was the wife.

Moreover, not everyone even owned his own farm. A good proportion were working someone else's property.

As the industrial revolution progressed, those males who would have been out in the distant fields all day--or working for another farmer--were still away from the house all day in a factory.

 

[A Realist]

I did say that in this day and age it is one of the biggest reasons why others do cheat, because they meet at work.

I also know that others cheat because they meet at church. Should we keep women from going to church?

 

[kdm1984]

It's been mentioned before, but I'll mention it again:

The central issue is not so much "women" working outside the home or even "wives" working outside the home. People who hold that women as a gender must not work outside the home do not find validation of that extreme position in scripture.

The central issue is "mothers with young children" working outside the home.

Fully agree here.

Husband and I have agreed that, when we plan to have our child, I will step aside from work and raise the child. I don't think I could work and raise a child at the same time.

And again I remind everyone here that my husband is my master and not some divorced guy who is taking Scripture out of context. I submit to my husband and my father and pastors, not some random guy on the Internet. God never instructed women to submit to every man in the universe, only those in authority over them. So when my husband allows me to work, HE is the authority, not some guy on the Internet here.

 

[Archivist]

It is certainly relevant. He was not in the home with the small children all day, as was the wife.

No, he was out on the fields would king with young children, 7-8 years old or older. And average farm size in the pre-industrial era was 20-40 acres, so your typical farmer was not far from home when working the fields.

Moreover, not everyone even owned his own farm. A good proportion were working someone else's property.

Actually most farms were family affairs. They might hire additional people, usually young single men, during planting or harvest, but that was about it. Perhaps you are think of ranching with did require highly trained workers, but I didn’t mention ranching did I?

As the industrial revolution progressed, those males who would have been out in the distant fields all day--or working for another farmer--were still away from the house all day in a factory.

Yes, if you bothered reading what I already wrote I said that it was the industrial revolution that started the custom of men leaving the home to work.

 

[Paidiske]

A congregation is made up of families.

Not necessarily. In my congregation I have many people who are the only member of their families to come to church. "Family" is not necessarily the base unit of Christian involvement, at all.

As for the rest, another thing we also need to realise is that for most of history, most people lived in households of extended family. This idea that at home there was a nuclear family of mum, dad, and the kids... that's also a post-industrial-revolution thing. It would have been mum, dad, an aged grandparent or two, various siblings and cousins of parents, nephews and nieces... so if you had a number of women of childbearing age, they could take turns dealing with children and engaging in other work. Or they could let grandma take charge for a few hours while they got something done. And so on.

This idea that there's one adult woman at home who gives her intensive focus to her own children... that's a very modern, middle-class thing. It's not even reality in many parts of the world, where village life still holds its ancient patterns.

 

[Tone]

I make a formal apology to any offended by any of my posts here. Sorry.

 

[Tone]

Not necessarily. In my congregation I have many people who are the only member of their families to come to church. "Family" is not necessarily the base unit of Christian involvement, at all.

This is me. But, I still consider the core to be the family units.

As for the rest, another thing we also need to realise is that for most of history, most people lived in households of extended family. This idea that at home there was a nuclear family of mum, dad, and the kids... that's also a post-industrial-revolution thing. It would have been mum, dad, an aged grandparent or two, various siblings and cousins of parents, nephews and nieces...

Still like this...sounds like my Grandma's.

This idea that there's one adult woman at home who gives her intensive focus to her own children... that's a very modern, middle-class thing. It's not even reality in many parts of the world, where village life still holds its ancient patterns.

Yeah, that's why I like the commune set up--it's more like the pre-industrial economy you described.

 

[Danielwright2311]

Now the real agenda comes out with this fully unscriptural view.

My opinion on the issue might not be popular or even liked, but I hold onto it no matter what.

Sorry you dont agree.

 

[Danielwright2311]

I also know that others cheat because they meet at church. Should we keep women from going to church?

I never said we should not let wemon work, That is not my position, I was only stating the facts and truth of what does happen, not what to do about it.

 

[Danielwright2311]

Wives do not BELONG to their husbands - I certainly don't.
The only person I belong to is Jesus; he paid the price for me.

And to your husband, if you gave your self to him, and he gave him self to you, this was the promiss in the church marriage.

And when God joins 2 people together they become one person. After you became one person, you are his and he is yours.

 

[bekkilyn]

My opinion on the issue might not be popular or even liked, but I hold onto it no matter what.

Sorry you dont agree.

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