NYT Gets Trump Tax Info 1985-1994

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Can we see the un-redacted Muller report? No because that would be illegal.
Can we see your tax records? No, because it is none of your business.
What about your deals with Russia? What about it? I was planning on building a hotel in Moscow before I ran for president. But I have nothing to hide. I just like making the Democrats groan and complain because my base loves it.
 
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He came right out and said it, that the Russians interfered with our election.
I don't think anyone ever said that the Russians didn't try to interfere with the election. The question was how much did it have an effect. There is no evidence to suggest that there was any sway in the election results. But that doesn't excuse the Russians. But the bottom line is this, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIANS OR TRUMP'S TAXES! MUCH LESS THE TAXES FROM 20 YEARS AGO!
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For the record. I called it over a month ago when everyone was drooling over the release of the Muller report. I specifically said that if the report showed Trump to be innocent of collusion, they would focus on obstruction. I then said that if obstruction wasn't going anywhere, they would go after their tax returns. I called it because it is predictable. Predictable because the investigation was never about finding truth and all about finding whatever dirt they could to impeach the president. The left will not be satisfied unless Trump is removed from office. My next prediction is that Trump's tax returns are going to be released and after much scrutiny they will find some error from way back when and scream "TAX EVASION". Like any competent business man wouldn't try to use whatever loopholes they could to save money. BTW, whatever happened to the tax information for the Clinton Foundation?

Do you want a gold star for predicting the GOP would fail to hold the POTUS accountable?
 
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No, the problem that I am seeing is that there is a lot of talk about people suffering or will suffer. But I don't see very many people actually suffering apart from having their feeling hurt because of something Trump said. The economy is doing great. the unemployment rates for women and minorities has reached historical lows, and the military is stronger. I started a thread to specifically ask who has been actually affected by Trump. With the exception of one political activist and another in Germany, there wasn't much negative things to say other than hurt feelings. There was however several people who said that their businesses were doing better and were able to hire more people or give bonuses. So where are all these "countrymen" that you are speaking of? Perhaps if more people looked outside of their echo chambers they will see that America is actually doing pretty good right now. Do you really think that the average American really cares about Trump's tax returns from 20 years ago?

I did not respond to your thread because what happens to me personally is not the point. I am responsible for my own actions - not Donald Trump.
 
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No, the problem that I am seeing is that there is a lot of talk about people suffering or will suffer. But I don't see very many people actually suffering apart from having their feeling hurt because of something Trump said. The economy is doing great. the unemployment rates for women and minorities has reached historical lows, and the military is stronger. I started a thread to specifically ask who has been actually affected by Trump. With the exception of one political activist and another in Germany, there wasn't much negative things to say other than hurt feelings. There was however several people who said that their businesses were doing better and were able to hire more people or give bonuses. So where are all these "countrymen" that you are speaking of? Perhaps if more people looked outside of their echo chambers they will see that America is actually doing pretty good right now. Do you really think that the average American really cares about Trump's tax returns from 20 years ago?
I saw 3 people with complaints and I wasn't even at the end of the first page.

And you've just proven my point. People who love Trump don't acknowledge the people who are suffering because SPECIFICALLY because of his impacts. Others can outline and detail (some) specific deductions that have been removed that affect them. And yet they don't get the respect of a simple "Yeah. I guess that is a negative impact on you"....the reply "They're just whining" and their "feelings are hurt". How pompous and careless.

I DO think that the average American that voted for Trump on the basis that "he's a millionaire and good businessman" either a) Care very much about this or b) are stupid or without principle.

If you voted for trump because of the wall, hey fair play. But with the news of his ineptitude in business being laid bare, yes, I do think that would be a concern. My father is a better businessman and investor than Trump. Not because he has more money (not even close....), but because he actually managed to make things grow and he made sound business decisions.
 
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They don't have to pay taxes on losses. Trump back in the 90s lost something like $900 million and didn't have to pay taxes for years.


Trump didn't have to pay taxes and he didn't. It was completely legal.

The real problem is, who leaked his tax records? That is an illegal act, a felony. Even the president has a right to privacy. And it was pretty pointless given that it shows that Trump followed the law.
The big revelation isn’t that he didn’t pay taxes, it is that he was such a horrible failure.
 
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They don't have the right to publish illegally obtained private information like this. In fact, they had a legal responsibility to report the person who gave it to them.
Source? You’re saying you know the law better than the NYT attorneys?
 
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And, this is very important to all of our personal lives, because ... reasons.

Well, it does show that he's pretty lousy at running things, yet his fan club seems to think he can do a good job when it comes to America...
 
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Well, it does show that he's pretty lousy at running things, yet his fan club seems to think he can do a good job when it comes to America...
Well he is actually very successful given that 1/3 of his business endeavors met with success. That looks like failure to the outside world, but in the business world, that's above average. Businesses fail for a variety reasons and not simply because of mismanagement.

We had a new restaurant that opened in my town. It was a Scottish Highlands themed restaurant that prided itself on only using imported Scottish beef. But then came the mad cow disease scare in Great Britain and the restaurant could no longer import the beef and quickly went under and closed up.

In my town, we had a major real estate developer, one of the richest men in our part of the state. He opened businesses that didn't take off. Sometimes you have an idea that simply doesn't catch fire with the public and thus, it fails. But he had a mixture of success and failure but was still considered a great businessman.

Starting a business is hard and it involves a lot of risk and sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't. And in the case of businessmen like Trump and other billionaires, they have a lot of irons in the fire and they don't personally manage/run every business they start. Sometimes, those in management make bad decisions and end up jeopardizing the businesses. So you cannot say that Trump's failures are the result of being bad at running things.

What a lot of people don't talk about is how often many, many people in business have successes and failures and they don't talk about all of the variables that go into being successful business person. Some ventures strike gold, and some don't. We live in a free market economy and business success is often determined by the market. If someone has a better idea, or improves on an existing idea, they are successful and those who were operating on the old method can end up losing out and are forced to close down if they can't adapt.

In business there is equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome. If EVERY business Trump started was a blazing success, it would be suspect because people in business often fail more than they succeed.
 
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Source? You’re saying you know the law better than the NYT attorneys?
No, more like the law isn't evenly applied. I know that there is not single one of us that would not sue someone in a court of law if they took our private financial information and laid it bare in front of the world. None of us would put up with that kind of violation of our right to privacy. But when Trump is plugged into the equation, suddenly right to privacy is thrown out the window.
 
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Well he is actually very successful given that 1/3 of his business endeavors met with success.

Are you kidding? He failed a casino. Do you know how hard it is to fail a casino? The games there are literally stacked in the casino's favour. And he still couldn't make it work.
 
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Well he is actually very successful given that 1/3 of his business endeavors met with success. That looks like failure to the outside world, but in the business world, that's above average. Businesses fail for a variety reasons and not simply because of mismanagement.

We had a new restaurant that opened in my town. It was a Scottish Highlands themed restaurant that prided itself on only using imported Scottish beef. But then came the mad cow disease scare in Great Britain and the restaurant could no longer import the beef and quickly went under and closed up.

In my town, we had a major real estate developer, one of the richest men in our part of the state. He opened businesses that didn't take off. Sometimes you have an idea that simply doesn't catch fire with the public and thus, it fails. But he had a mixture of success and failure but was still considered a great businessman.

Starting a business is hard and it involves a lot of risk and sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't. And in the case of businessmen like Trump and other billionaires, they have a lot of irons in the fire and they don't personally manage/run every business they start. Sometimes, those in management make bad decisions and end up jeopardizing the businesses. So you cannot say that Trump's failures are the result of being bad at running things.

What a lot of people don't talk about is how often many, many people in business have successes and failures and they don't talk about all of the variables that go into being successful business person. Some ventures strike gold, and some don't. We live in a free market economy and business success is often determined by the market. If someone has a better idea, or improves on an existing idea, they are successful and those who were operating on the old method can end up losing out and are forced to close down if they can't adapt.

In business there is equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome. If EVERY business Trump started was a blazing success, it would be suspect because people in business often fail more than they succeed.

Strange that, while Donnie was losing record amounts of money every year for a decade, his dad continued to make money in similar pursuits....
 
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Are you kidding? He failed a casino. Do you know how hard it is to fail a casino? The games there are literally stacked in the casino's favour. And he still couldn't make it work.
Again, you are assuming that HE was the one personally running it. He has a lot of business ventures that failed and some that didn't and that is par for the course. You act like no one else has ever had a casino that failed. Lot's of casinos fail. They come and go. So, acting like Trump is a dismal failure because like other businessmen, not all of his ventures pan out, is rather silly.

Successful people fail more often than you think.
 
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Again, you are assuming that HE was the one personally running it. He has a lot of business ventures that failed and some that didn't and that is par for the course. You act like no one else has ever had a casino that failed. Lot's of casinos fail. They come and go. So, acting like Trump is a dismal failure because like other businessmen, not all of his ventures pan out, is rather silly.

Successful people fail more often than you think.

No, they don’t...

Casinos are one form of business in which you have to work very hard to have them fail...
 
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Strange that, while Donnie was losing record amounts of money every year for a decade, his dad continued to make money in similar pursuits....
What he was losing was dwarfed by what he actually made. There are two sides to this, and you want to only focus on one part of the narrative.
 
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