NYT Gets Trump Tax Info 1985-1994

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Lost a billion in the course of a decade and still is one of the wealthiest people in the country. I bet you all wished could afford to lose a billion dollars and still be worth billions. I smell jelly.
I have no interest in that kinda money. I'm CERTAINLY not jealous of that embarrassment.

And with that said, until I see government support tax documentation indicating he has 5$ in his account, I will not consider him to be anywhere near wealthy.
 
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I absolutely do not care how much he lost. All I care about is how much more I am making because of Trump.

How much more are you making? And how much of that is because of Trump?

Lost a billion in the course of a decade and still is one of the wealthiest people in the country. I bet you all wished could afford to lose a billion dollars and still be worth billions. I smell jelly.

Life certainly is a lot easier when you have a 9-figure inheritance and daddy's successful business empire and political connections to serve as a foundation for your career and a backstop for all your failures. The tax evasion didn't hurt either.

Yes, I would like to be that wealthy, but I'm happy being a better person than he is. And I'm glad to not have the army of sycophants drooling over my every word.
 
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When your candidate lies to you about his competencies AND, this performance, you still don't care. Fair enough. You don't care about the 10,000 lies/misinterpretations he's told since he's been in office.

He's a terrible businessman who doesn't know what he's doing. This SHOULD be evidence to a reasonable, rational person that perhaps Trump should NOT be dictating fiscal policy for your country. Keeping in mind, this isn't a one off. He is CONSISTENTLY losing money. This isn't a mistake; this is INEPTITUDE.

It's not necessarily ineptitude; it has the distinct possibility of corruption. He could be funneling money from his business (where that money was gotten from bank loans and investments) to himself, letting his businesses fail and declare bankruptcy, while he makes a tidy sum. I've said for a long time that one of Trump's greatest business skills has been to (apparently) insulate himself from his business disasters.

Of course, it's also possible that he simply lost the money, and then got funding elsewhere (Russia).

We don't have enough information to know what really happened at this point, but his claims of a "self-made businessman" have been entirely demolished (not just by this article, but by all of the information that has come out, including the over $400 million he was gifted from his father, which may not even include business bail outs).
 
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For the purposes of this discussion, I don't really care.

But if you're going to make a point, then make it. If you're going to dispute a claim, then dispute it. Otherwise, beating around the bush does nothing but obfuscate things.

Sensitive information by nature is information not made for public dissemination

Definition:

Sensitive information is data that must be protected from unauthorized access to safeguard the privacy or security of an individual or organization.

So your comment:

I don't believe that there is a blanket prohibition on releasing sensitive information like this.

Is based on what seems to be a false belief. And the person releasing sensitive information needs to feel the consequences of his/her actions.
 
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Sensitive information by nature is information not made for public dissemination

Congress is not "the public," and they need not disseminate anything.
 
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And here's the problem: Why don't you listen to your countrymen who ARE suffering?
No, the problem that I am seeing is that there is a lot of talk about people suffering or will suffer. But I don't see very many people actually suffering apart from having their feeling hurt because of something Trump said. The economy is doing great. the unemployment rates for women and minorities has reached historical lows, and the military is stronger. I started a thread to specifically ask who has been actually affected by Trump. With the exception of one political activist and another in Germany, there wasn't much negative things to say other than hurt feelings. There was however several people who said that their businesses were doing better and were able to hire more people or give bonuses. So where are all these "countrymen" that you are speaking of? Perhaps if more people looked outside of their echo chambers they will see that America is actually doing pretty good right now. Do you really think that the average American really cares about Trump's tax returns from 20 years ago?
 
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Who on earth would want to lose a billion dollars?
Nobody wants to loose a billion dollars. But I am sure that everyone here would love to have enough money that they could lose a billion dollars and still be a billionaire. How many billions are you worth?
 
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So yeah, they pretty much disqualified themselves from any privilege of seeing his returns. They cannot be trusted to be fair or honest about what those returns would have in them.

He is not legally required to disclose them and no one has right to them.

They..?? The American people..??

Because that’s who Donnie promised he would release his returns to....
 
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Nobody wants to loose a billion dollars. But I am sure that everyone here would love to have enough money that they could lose a billion dollars and still be a billionaire. How many billions are you worth?

Who says he’s a billionaire? How would we know...?
 
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How much more are you making? And how much of that is because of Trump?
My household income increased by $40,000 since Trumps economic reform and there are literally hundreds of thousands of people who's monthly income was $0 who now have jobs. How much have their monthly incomes increased?
 
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Sensitive information by nature is information not made for public dissemination

Definition:

Sensitive information is data that must be protected from unauthorized access to safeguard the privacy or security of an individual or organization.

So your comment:



Is based on what seems to be a false belief. And the person releasing sensitive information needs to feel the consequences of his/her actions.

That's great. But "not made for public dissemination" is not the same as "legally prohibited from being released" - and it's the latter that is the point of contention here. There are tons of things I deal with in my job every day that are "sensitive" and "not made for public dissemination" that aren't illegal to leak. I could get fired and possibly even sued over that, but not jail.

Do you have anything beyond conjecture that this leak was illegal?

My household income increased by $40,000 since Trumps economic reform

That's great. Now how about answering the second half of that question: "And how much of that is because of Trump?"

I would also request that, if that number if > $0, you explain how it's because of Trump.
 
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He isn't hiding anything. But I can tell you that I while my tax returns are squeaky clean, I still don't want to put out my personal information. Private is private. Stealing someone's private information is illegal and just because someone doesn't want to provide that information doesn't mean they are hiding anything.

But will tell you this, the Left is thirsty for something, anything they can spin to discredit or delegitimize his presidency. I have nothing in my taxes for anyone to challenge, but I would not put my tax returns out there for the vultures on the Left. They would lie, and misrepresent Trump's returns and he knows it. The Left, especially in the media are not honest, they are liars and would completely distort anything they could get their hands on. I would not trust anything to people who lack the basic quality of integrity that we have seen out of the Democrats on Capitol Hill and on the liberal media.

So, I don't blame him for deciding not to put them out there. He has been demonized, lied about, his family has been harassed, his supporters are harassed and assaulted on regular basis and members of his cabinet have been harassed in public after hours to the point they cannot even go out to eat.

So yeah, they pretty much disqualified themselves from any privilege of seeing his returns. They cannot be trusted to be fair or honest about what those returns would have in them.

He is not legally required to disclose them and no one has right to them.
For the record. I called it over a month ago when everyone was drooling over the release of the Muller report. I specifically said that if the report showed Trump to be innocent of collusion, they would focus on obstruction. I then said that if obstruction wasn't going anywhere, they would go after their tax returns. I called it because it is predictable. Predictable because the investigation was never about finding truth and all about finding whatever dirt they could to impeach the president. The left will not be satisfied unless Trump is removed from office. My next prediction is that Trump's tax returns are going to be released and after much scrutiny they will find some error from way back when and scream "TAX EVASION". Like any competent business man wouldn't try to use whatever loopholes they could to save money. BTW, whatever happened to the tax information for the Clinton Foundation?
 
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That's great. Now how about answering the second half of that question: "And how much of that is because of Trump?"

I would also request that, if that number if > $0, you explain how it's because of Trump.
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For the record. I called it over a month ago when everyone was drooling over the release of the Muller report. I specifically said that if the report showed Trump to be innocent of collusion, they would focus on obstruction. I then said that if obstruction wasn't going anywhere, they would go after their tax returns. I called it because it is predictable. Predictable because the investigation was never about finding truth and all about finding whatever dirt they could to impeach the president. The left will not be satisfied unless Trump is removed from office. My next prediction is that Trump's tax returns are going to be released and after much scrutiny they will find some error from way back when and scream "TAX EVASION". Like any competent business man wouldn't try to use whatever loopholes they could to save money. BTW, whatever happened to the tax information for the Clinton Foundation?

You “called it” because all of those things were under way at the time...!
 
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For the record. I called it over a month ago when everyone was drooling over the release of the Muller report. I specifically said that if the report showed Trump to be innocent of collusion, they would focus on obstruction. I then said that if obstruction wasn't going anywhere, they would go after their tax returns. I called it because it is predictable. Predictable because the investigation was never about finding truth and all about finding whatever dirt they could to impeach the president. The left will not be satisfied unless Trump is removed from office. My next prediction is that Trump's tax returns are going to be released and after much scrutiny they will find some error from way back when and scream "TAX EVASION". Like any competent business man wouldn't try to use whatever loopholes they could to save money. BTW, whatever happened to the tax information for the Clinton Foundation?

I liked this one ...

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You “called it” because all of those things were under way at the time...!
Did you know before the release of the Muller report that it was going to be a big "nothing burger"? Know who else called it....Fox News.
 
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Did you know before the release of the Muller report that it was going to be a big "nothing burger"? Know who else called it....Fox News.

Except it is a problem for Trump because it didn’t clear him and I can prove it. If it had actually exonerated him he would have had the entire report read to us all from the Rose Garden and he would have tweeted the whole thing. He is egotistical enough he would pull it out at every turn rather than try to quickly move on. He would use it as a bludgeon against people.
 
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Did you know before the release of the Muller report that it was going to be a big "nothing burger"? Know who else called it....Fox News.
A "nothing burger?" Didn't you see McConnell's speech yesterday? He caved. Completely. He came right out and said it, that the Russians interfered with our election. Of course, he wrapped it in the Right's self-serving fantasy narrative about how the Mueller investigation was nothing but a left wing plot to "Get Trump" and spun a lot of fictional nonsense about the administration's imaginary efforts to stop it happening again. But we can allow him that, can't we?
 
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100% of that is because of Trump. Because he removed so much economic regulations my wife was able to finally get a job that 8 years of Obama couldn't accomplish.
Edit: And by the way, Yes, the owner of the company specifically told my wife that the only reason why he was able to hire her was because the Trump tax reforms. So thank you Trump! These are the things that the American people actually care about, not Trump's tax returns from 20 years ago. Honestly, if you have time to complain about that, you really don't have much to complain about.

I'm curious - did he happen to say which tax reforms and/or cuts in regulation were responsible for his expansion?

To put a finer point on it - I don't trust people when they make these claims. I believe you that he told your wife that. But I don't trust people (including business owners) to correctly identify causality when observing an improvement in their financial situation. I especially don't trust people to make those judgments when doing so also aligns with their political agenda. I've had too many discussions with too many people (again, including small business owners) who are shamefully ignorant about even the most basic principles to just blindly trust an assessment like that without some greater detail.

So, I'm glad your wife found a job - I really am. But the entire labor market has been improving for ~9-10 years now and the lower end of the market would've tightened up with or without Trump's moves. Yes, his tax cuts accelerated the economy somewhat, but at the expense of huge deficits. On the macro level, the tax cuts don't appear to have done much to improve hiring.

Trump's Tax Cuts Haven't Spiked Job Growth

Did Trump's tax cuts boost hiring? Most companies say no

Why Trump's $1.5 Trillion Tax Cut Hasn’t Sparked Hiring or Investment


But regarding the regulations that have allegedly been done away with by Trump, I've yet to see anything substantive that's been in place long enough to have had any real impact (with perhaps a few narrow, industry-specific exceptions, e.g. removing onerous oversight requirements on community banks).
 
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