Trump Pardons Army Lt Who Murdered Iraqi Detainee & Burned Body

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Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man

In Mr. Behenna’s case, Mr. Mansur was bound and blindfolded during the interrogation, which lasted between two and three minutes, according to the court filing. Mr. Mansur’s clothes were cut off with a knife.

“This is your last chance to tell the information or you will die,” Lieutenant Behenna told Mr. Mansur, according to a military court filing. Mr. Mansur said that he would talk, it said, but Lieutenant Behenna shot him.

Lieutenant Behenna told other soldiers after the killing that “he would do it again, and he did not feel bad about it because he just lost two guys,” according to the filing.

Michael Behenna - Wikipedia

After the killing, Behenna ordered the platoon back to the base and the next day local villagers found Mansur's naked, burned body in the culvert.

 

[Goonie]

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man



Michael Behenna - Wikipedia

Are you surprised? This is the behaviour Donald expects from american soldiers in the field.

 

[The Faceless]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Are you surprised?

Not at all. I'm a little surprised he hasn't pardoned Edward Gallagher yet, though I suppose he'd actually have to be convicted first.

 

[The Faceless]

Not at all. I'm a little surprised he hasn't pardoned Edward Gallagher yet, though I suppose he'd actually have to be convicted first.

It was ISIS. They deserve nothing but the worst.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

It was ISIS. They deserve nothing but the worst.

Your attitude is sick. Gallagher's accused of shooting innocent people.

 

[The Faceless]

Your attitude is sick. Gallagher's accused of shooting innocent people.

You know what's worse? Terrorist bomb makers and ISIS.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Are you surprised? This is the behaviour Donald expects from american soldiers in the field.

What would you have expected from them in this case?

 

[USincognito]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

The Nazis didn't abide the Geneva Convention.
We do.
The Nazis didn't have the UCMJ.
We do.
Your Inglorious Basturds fantasy has no relation to how our military is supposed to conduct itself.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You know what's worse? Terrorist bomb makers and ISIS.

I thought we were supposed to be better than them.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

By what legal right can a President pardon anyway? Merely statutory or constitional? I mean, it makes sense in a monarchy, where all Law occurs in the name of the Crown, that that Crown can pardon such offenses, but isn't the Executive power supposed to be separate from Legislative and Judicial? I assume it was put in place as a check and balance, or merely as a survival of the executive powers of representatives of the Crown in the original colonies, but I don't see a good logical argument why a President can willy-nilly overthrow legal proceedings in a Republic. He is a representative, not a Crowned head or ruler, at least in theory. So why should his word or decision on mercy carry more weight than the determinations of the elected legislature that made the law, or the supposedly independant appointed Judiciary that carries it out? Is his appointment as executive superseding theirs? Does not their right rest in the same consent of the governed citizens?

The whole Pardon story seems hard to justify on theoretical grounds I feel, so if it is merely by statute, the President can pardon whomever he likes. That doesn't seem just to me, as a pardon should just be in extremis to stop miscarriage of Justice or an exceptional case of mercy for the repentant. Even then, that power seems presumptive of a monarchy or oligarchy, rather than a supposed Commonwealth.

 

[FireDragon76]

By what legal right can a President pardon anyway? Merely statutory or constitional? I mean, it makes sense in a monarchy, where all Law occurs in the name of the Crown, that that Crown can pardon such offenses, but isn't the Executive power supposed to be separate from Legislative and Judicial? I assume it was put in place as a check and balance, or merely as a survival of the executive powers of representatives of the Crown in the original colonies, but I don't see a good logical argument why a President can willy-nilly overthrow legal proceedings in a Republic. He is a representative, not a Crowned head or ruler, at least in theory. So why should his word or decision on mercy carry more weight than the determinations of the elected legislature that made the law, or the supposedly independant appointed Judiciary that carries it out? Is his appointment as executive superseding theirs? Does not their right rest in the same consent of the governed citizens?

The whole Pardon story seems hard to justify on theoretical grounds I feel, so if it is merely by statute, the President can pardon whomever he likes. That doesn't seem just to me, as a pardon should just be in extremis to stop miscarriage of Justice or an exceptional case of mercy for the repentant. Even then, that power seems presumptive of a monarchy or oligarchy, rather than a supposed Commonwealth.

It's a prerogative of the President in our system that Trump is abusing so that he can gather political capital from racists, xenophobes, and other deplorables. In any other time period, the President would have been impeached by Congress and removed from office by now.

 

[Nithavela]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

They should have purged germany of all life, really. And all neighbouring countries, just to be safe.

I mean really. We built you all those death camps ready to go and you didn't utilise them. How wastefull.

 

[Kaon]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

In War, the lines are blurred - which is why a strong ethical approach to human rights must be adhered to in order to minimize the amount of exploitation and degradation that naturally comes from war. Violence demands violence ad infinitum. This is why we will end up destroying ourselves; the space age and beyond just delay the inevitable. No amount of advancement or disaster will keep us from destroying each other.

All it takes is a psychology to make people ravenous for retribution and death during war - history (including the one you mentioned) is a testament to that. Misguided minds controlled by emotion allow for genocide and a culture of inhumanity. The biggest "terrorist" of His modern time was the Redeemer - indeed, many people felt justified in defiling His body and putting Him to death.

Why even fight a war for a better world when we practice the same barbarism and abysmal mentality of the old world? Fighting terrorism while becoming a possible world terrorist entity is historically ironic considering the wealth and access to the past we have today.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Clearly an act of self-defense but he was railroaded by the anti-military and pro Muslim Obama administration with a witch hunt and was convicted with evidence provided by a snitch who received a plea to save his own skin.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You know what's worse? Terrorist bomb makers and ISIS.

Way to set a high bar for yourself.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you surprised? This is the behaviour Donald expects from american soldiers in the field.

Expects, encourages, and would have ordered had his own generals not relented.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Another terrorist met his end. Imagine if today's generation was the generation of WW2. Nazis were rightfully shot dead in clusters after being captured and disarmed. Brutality wins the war. Not rainbows and unicorns.

Sounds like it's a competition to see who can be more brutal.

Back in Vietnam, the VC would hide a lone rifleman in a neutral or even allied village, waiting to take a potshot at a passing US helicopter.

The chopper pilot, knowing that brutality wins wars, would respond by turning around and strafing the village.

Hey, guess who just switched sides?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Sounds like it's a competition to see who can be more brutal.

Back in Vietnam, the VC would hide a lone rifleman in a neutral or even allied village, waiting to take a potshot at a passing US helicopter.

The chopper pilot, knowing that brutality wins wars, would respond by turning around and strafing the village.

Hey, guess who just switched sides?

How can you shoot women & children?

 

[TLK Valentine]

How can you shoot women & children?

Easy... you don't lead them as much.