Flood Physics.

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Where is all this water supposed to be coming from?
From above and below.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
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It would have to be extra-terrestrial, by definition.
Technically it was.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Notice God shears off a layer of sea water and takes it out into space.

It came back through the "windows of heaven" the year of the Flood.
 
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Once the water started rising, even slowly, it would have been too chaotic to gather the material to build a float-worthy raft that was big enough to hold food for a year. And, under those conditions gathering enough food for that duration would seem even less possibile.
All they needed was a small amount.

Remember how God fed the widow of Zarephath?

1 Kings 17:16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.
 
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From above and below.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Technically it was.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Notice God shears off a layer of sea water and takes it out into space.

It came back through the "windows of heaven" the year of the Flood.

This is nothing to do with physics. Why are you posting it in the physics thread?
 
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Why on Earth would sea beds, all across the planet, start to rise? This is not science. It is pure nonsense.
Anyone who thinks science had anything to do with the Flood deserves to be posting here begging for evidence and scratching their heads raw -- and being denied what it is they're looking for (evidence).
 
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Anyone who thinks science had anything to do with the Flood
Which is every professional creationist.
deserves to be posting here begging for evidence and scratching their heads raw -- and being denied what it is they're looking for (evidence).
You're barking up the wrong tree pal.
 
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God raised the sea beds. :bow:
For the record, my pastor believes God raised up a land bridge so the Israelites could cross the Red Sea after He parted the waters.

When Pharaoh went after them, He simply lowered the bridge and released His hold on the water.
 
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I was listening to an audio bible and was wondering:

If the water took 150 days to seep back into the earth and return to the water ways, typically, how much area would the water cover if this was the case?
I don't know that it did seep 'back' into the earth, since it never came from there to start with for the most part probably.
 
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For the record, my pastor believes God raised up a land bridge so the Israelites could cross the Red Sea after He parted the waters.

When Pharaoh went after them, He simply lowered the bridge and released His hold on the water.
For the record, your pastor makes sift up to keep your tithes comin' in.*

*nudge nudge, wink wink... a nudge is as good as a wink for a blind man.
 
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I think it's patently obvious the absurd lengths creationists must stretch in order for a global flood story to actually work.
We call them "miracles."
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The flood story is pure mythical fiction,
Either that, or it was God's judgement on the earth that ended the dispensation of conscience, and started the dispensation of human government.
 
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This is nothing to do with physics. Why are you posting it in the physics thread?
Because I can't find this thread in any other part of CF, chief.

Are you okay?

And for the record, this isn't my thread.
 
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We call them "miracles.
Call it what you like. Whatever helps to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, I suppose.
"Either that, or it was God's judgement on the earth that ended the dispensation of conscience, and started the dispensation of human government.
Yep, no evidence for this either. But whatever you need to believe to sleep at night.
 
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Which is every professional creationist.
So? are they somehow exempt?
HitchSlap said:
You're barking up the wrong tree pal.
About what? I'm just giving my opinion.

If you disagree, then fine -- keep looking and begging for evidence.

See if I care.
 
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I don't know that it did seep 'back' into the earth,
I don't either.

I think God took the whole shebang to another planet.

(With the exception of the coccoliths.)
 
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Evidence of the flood I propose would be nearly entirely degraded in the years since.
And what IS this evidence?
The flood I propose killed every human except those on the ark.
Ah, the 'loving God' gambit...
Those few not drowned outright soon died of starvation and exposure.
So this is what you were talking about...

So... 4 breeding pairs on the ark - 8 people. 5 of whom were close relatives, and 1 pair of which did not contribute to the post-flood re-population extravaganza. So, all 7 billion people alive today are direct descendants of these 3 breeding pairs (and by extension, Noah).

There is no reason to believe that these breeding pairs were not all from the same region, and thus all of the same 'ethnicity' - especially given the fact that Noah was in only the 10th generation of all humans!

So, we have a rather homogeneous gene pool from which to produce all extant variations - to paraphrase our old non-biologist pal Justatruthseeker - Asians, Africans, and every other distinct 'race' of humans, all from 3 related and homogenous breeding pairs.

Let's see your population genetics model that can account for this.

I am especially curious to see how you will account for, for example, the alleles associated just with ABO blood groups.

And then, of course, things are much worse for the 'unclean' animals, genetically speaking - a single breeding pair. Elephants are apparently unclean.

So just 2 elephants to feed and house and clean up after...

But then there are the other elephantids and their non-elephantid relatives - after all, no macroevolution allowed! - mammoths and mastadons, gomphotheres, etc... My goodness that ark is very very rapidly running out of room - even BEFORE we learn of the magical genetics!

And apparently it is 7 PAIRS of clean animals... Animals like bison and cattle... 14 bison - is that a herd?

Can't wait to be thrilled with specific scientific evidence and details for how all this happened! And because this is TRUE, there must be all kinds of evidence for it all!
 
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I was listening to an audio bible and was wondering:

If the water took 150 days to seep back into the earth and return to the water ways, typically, how much area would the water cover if this was the case?
196.9 million mi2
 
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So? are they somehow exempt?About what? I'm just giving my opinion.

If you disagree, then fine -- keep looking and begging for evidence.

See if I care.
Well, in the real world (you know, the one outside your Sunday walls) evidence is required for extraordinary claims. So, as long as you guys keep making claims, we'll keep asking for evidence.
 
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So... 4 breeding pairs on the ark - 8 people.
Yup.

Academia would call that a "population bottleneck."

One that should have ended in extinction.

Yet it didn't.

I wonder how that happened?*

* Not really. ;)
 
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