How do creationists test their ideas?

[d taylor]

If you are going to insist that the Bible is an accurate description of reality because it says some things that are true, I will say the same thing about Star Trek.

Are you convinced Star Trek is real?

Like is said star trek is a real movie tv show so the world that exist in that movie show is real in the context.

I do not believe (but actually there may be someone some where) people consider consider the Bible a movie or tv show. The Bible accurately (in areas it speaks about) describes Gods creation. If you do not believe there is a God, that is an issue between you and that belief or lack of belief.

So if you are trying to prove to me that God does not exist using an star trek analogy, you might as well move on to another person.

 

[AV1611VET]

Notice they (sun and moon ) are called great lights. meaning the moon is a created light.

As this video demonstrates:

... moonlight is proprietary light.

If you will also back up to Genesis 14 or go forward one verse to 17. The Bible states that God place these created lights in the raqia above the earth and not in a made up science outer space. The raqia is an expanse that separates two bodies of water one above the raqia and a body of water below the raqia (oceans,seas).

Sorry. I don't speak in tongues.

That's why I'm a KJVO.

If I have to abandon the English language to back up a point I'm making, the point I'm making isn't worth backing up.

The idea of a universe comes from science not the Bible and has worked its false concept into the mindset of many christians and they read this idea into the Bible.

I'm going to disagree with that.

I'm sure those living in the days of the Old Testament knew about the universe long before academia came along and sowed their tares into it.

It used to be you could point to Psalm 19 to get someone to consider God by considering the universe.

Now what you see is mostly tares.

A universe as defined by science with endless space with stars, planets, galaxies, black holes, etc... is never mention as being created by God in the Bible. The Bible states many times that God created heaven and earth.

Astronomy is one science that isn't too proud to shoot itself in the foot and rig a vote to get what it's after.

That's how Pluto got demoted.

Makes you wonder how many other science disciplines do the same thing.

 

[Speedwell]

Like is said star trek is a real movie tv show so the world that exist in that movie show is real in the context.

I do not believe (but actually there may be someone some where) people consider consider the Bible a movie or tv show. The Bible accurately (in areas it speaks about) describes Gods creation. If you do not believe there is a God, that is an issue between you and that belief or lack of belief.

So if you are trying to prove to me that God does not exist using an star trek analogy, you might as well move on to another person.

No one here is trying to prove to you that God does not exist. It can't be done, anyway, as the existence of God is not a falsifiable proposition. Consequently, nothing that science has discovered or even potentially could discover can disprove the existence of God.

The literal inerrancy of the Genesis creation accounts is another kind of thing altogether. The Star Wars analogy was in aid of explaining why the mention of real persons and events in the Bible does not guarantee the literal inerrancy of the entire text.

 

[tas8831]

The simple answer to the thread title question is that they basically don't.

 

[driewerf]

I'm used to that. I find creationists struggle with answering how.

I find creationists struggling with answering questions at all If needed be, creationists even change the question you ask, below is a prime example:
Question For Flood Believers
Or another example:

Listen to the exchange from 11:30 to 17:15

 

[driewerf]

Your science can go to Hell.

Where is that hell? Can you show me the way?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your science can go to Hell.

Where is that hell? Can you show me the way?

You'll follow science anywhere, won't you?

 

[driewerf]

You'll follow science anywhere, won't you?

That doesn't maater.
Is hell a real place? If yes, where is it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is hell a real place? If yes, where is it?

Yes, Hell is a real place.

It could be in the center of the earth, or in another dimension, or on another planet, or wherever God put it.

 

[driewerf]

Yes, Hell is a real place.

It could be in the center of the earth, or in another dimension, or on another planet, or wherever God put it.

So i can go there, while I am a life.

 

[AV1611VET]

As science only deals with physical reality it certainly cant ”go to hell”.

What science dealt yesterday, it shovels today.

 

[AV1611VET]

So i can go there, while I am a life.

Yes, unfortunately.

Or did you mean, while you're "alive"?

No ... you can't go there while you're alive on earth.

 

[inquiring mind]

Where is that hell?

Where God is not.

Can you show me the way?

Revelation 21:8 gives some pretty good directions.

So i can go there, while I am a life.

You may think you're there at times, but you're not... it's the second death. Also Revelation 21:8

 

[driewerf]

Yes, unfortunately.

Or did you mean, while you're "alive"?

No ... you can't go there while you're alive on earth.

Thanks for the correction. My English can still be improved.
Why can"t I go there while still alive? If it's a real place I can go there.

 

[Aman777]

And how do you know this to be the case?

Because recent scientific discoveries have confirmed what God told us in Genesis. God told us it would be this way in the last days before Jesus returns. The next event on God's calendar is the Rapture.

We've already been through this. You get around any contradictions with scientific findings compared to the events as listed in Genesis by basically making up any interpretation you want.

Then refute me. That's all I ask. Another poster is falsely accusing me on another thread claiming that I have been proven wrong many times BUT, like others, he has NO proof of his false assertion. Do you?

 

[Aman777]

What matters is what the EVIDENCE shows. And there's nothing in the Bible that could only have come from God. I

I have 10 instances of agreement between Genesis, science, history and genetics. No one has been able to explain a single one of them since NO man of the time could have possibly known:

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came out of Heaven/air.

Coincidence? I have more.

 

[VirOptimus]

What science dealt yesterday, it shovels today.

Woosh!

 

[AV1611VET]

Why can"t I go there while still alive? If it's a real place I can go there.

Because it's off-limits to potential children of God.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Then I predict you won't get a satisfactory answer.

It's a shame that ... science isn't satisfied.

But the question isn't about science and scientists, but how creationists settle differences amongst themselves. What tools and methods do they use to differentiate between the different models?

 

[AV1611VET]

But the question isn't about science and scientists, but how creationists settle differences amongst themselves. What tools and methods do they use to differentiate between the different models?

We learn to live with our differences.

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

We realize we're going to have differences until Jesus comes back.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

We realize we're not alone in having differences:

Acts 15:39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
Acts 15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1 Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?