LDS Celestial Marriage...100% false.

[Peter1000]

Only through the priesthood may these blessings accrue to the member of the Church. The worthy male member must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, which holds “the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God” (D&C 84:19; see also D&C 107:18–19), in order to receive these “mysteries.” Therein lies the key to the principal purpose of the higher priesthood—to reveal the principles of exaltation in the house of the Lord through ordinances, consisting of washings, anointings, the priesthood endowment, and marriage for eternity. (See D&C 124:37–42.) Marriage for eternity is an order of the priesthood “in which the participating parties are promised kingdoms and thrones if they are true and faithful to their obligations.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Ensign, December 1971, p. 98.) These blessings include the power to beget spirit children after the resurrection. In this regard, Joseph Smith said:
“The question is frequently asked, ‘Can we not be saved without going through with all those ordinances?’ I would answer, No, not the fulness of salvation."
Roy W. Doxey, Accepted of the Lord: The Doctrine of Making Your Calling and Election Sure, Ensign, July 1976

Notice Doxey says No, not the fullness of salvation. Meaning that a lot of people will make it to heaven, but will they make it to the highest levels of heaven where they receive a fullness of salvation.

So you can believe in Jesus and follow him and love him and be a good Christian, but if you do not the will of Jesus and do the ordinances that he has laid out for you to do, you will be in heaven, but will not receive a fullness of the blessings of the highest levels of heaven or the fullness of salvation.

 

[He is the way]

Only through the priesthood may these blessings accrue to the member of the Church. The worthy male member must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, which holds “the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God” (D&C 84:19; see also D&C 107:18–19), in order to receive these “mysteries.” Therein lies the key to the principal purpose of the higher priesthood—to reveal the principles of exaltation in the house of the Lord through ordinances, consisting of washings, anointings, the priesthood endowment, and marriage for eternity. (See D&C 124:37–42.) Marriage for eternity is an order of the priesthood “in which the participating parties are promised kingdoms and thrones if they are true and faithful to their obligations.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Ensign, December 1971, p. 98.) These blessings include the power to beget spirit children after the resurrection. In this regard, Joseph Smith said:
“The question is frequently asked, ‘Can we not be saved without going through with all those ordinances?’ I would answer, No, not the fulness of salvation."
Roy W. Doxey, Accepted of the Lord: The Doctrine of Making Your Calling and Election Sure, Ensign, July 1976

It is good that we do proxy work for the dead. What do you believe will be the fate of your ancestors?

 

[Rescued One]

Notice Doxey says No, not the fullness of salvation. Meaning that a lot of people will make it to heaven, but will they make it to the highest levels of heaven where they receive a fullness of salvation.

So you can believe in Jesus and follow him and love him and be a good Christian, but if you do not the will of Jesus and do the ordinances that he has laid out for you to do, you will be in heaven, but will not receive a fullness of the blessings of the highest levels of heaven or the fullness of salvation.

The dwelling place of God is what matters to those who love Him. We are Christians; we will be in His and our home and we won't need Mormonism to get in. Mormonism is screwy or at least what you said is screwy.

"So you can believe in Jesus and follow him and love him and be a good Christian, but ..."

There is no such thing as a bad Christian. By their fruits you shall know them and those who love Him reflect the goodness He has shown them.

This is a representation of Mormonism:



Continued faithfulness to false gods.

 

[Rescued One]

It is good that we do proxy work for the dead. What do you believe will be the fate of your ancestors?

I wasn't there to form an opinion, but then God will judge them as He sees fit. I KNOW that HE is a better judge than I!

 

[He is the way]

I wasn't there to form an opinion, but then God will judge then as He sees fit. I KNOW that HE is a better judge than I!

Not only is He able to judge righteously but also fairly. He knows those who love Him and keep His commandments:
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 7:9)

9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

 

[Rescued One]

Not only is He able to judge righteously but also fairly. He knows those who love Him and keep His commandments:
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 7:9)

9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

He knows His sheep and they know and follow Him.

 

[Rescued One]

Notice Doxey says No, not the fullness of salvation. Meaning that a lot of people will make it to heaven, but will they make it to the highest levels of heaven where they receive a fullness of salvation.

So you can believe in Jesus and follow him and love him and be a good Christian, but if you do not the will of Jesus and do the ordinances that he has laid out for you to do, you will be in heaven, but will not receive a fullness of the blessings of the highest levels of heaven or the fullness of salvation.

Christians will spend eternity in God's presence. He treats us as His blessed children because He adopted us. He doesn't disown His children and banish them to lower kingdoms that don't even exist. Eternal Life is for all Christians; there is no such thing as partial salvation.

 

[He is the way]

He knows His sheep and they know and follow Him.

They will know Him only if they keep the commandments:
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Rescued One]

They will know Him only if they keep the commandments:
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

If a person is a liar, they aren't following the Shepherd. If a person is following the Shepherd, he is not a liar.

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Rescued One]

They will know Him only if they keep the commandments:
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Christians keep the commandments because they are His sheep.

John 10
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

 

[He is the way]

Christians keep the commandments because they are His sheep.

John 10
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Not all Christians keep the commandments, not all members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints keep the commandments. In fact there are members of all of the churches that do not keep the commandments, they still sin. Some went back to wallowing in the mud:
(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:21 - 22)

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I know that not all Christians are His sheep, some have returned to sin after they were washed. They have fallen from grace, but they still call themselves Christians.

 

[Rescued One]

What a liar calls himself is not our concern. We are here to glorify God. God told us there are liars and every other kind of sinner. All Christians are His sheep. The sheep are following Him. The sheep have the imputed righteousness of Christ and He Who began the good work in the sheep will bring it to completion. We believe this because He said so.

Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The joy of the LORD is my strength!
(Paraphrase of Nehemiah 8:10)

 

[He is the way]

What a liar calls himself is not our concern. We are here to glorify God. God told us there are liars and every other kind of sinner. All Christians are His sheep. The sheep are following Him. The sheep have the imputed righteousness of Christ and He Who began the good work in the sheep will bring it to completion. We believe this because He said so.

Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The joy of the LORD is my strength!
(Paraphrase of Nehemiah 8:10)

Whoever continues to sin after they receive the knowledge of truth will be held accountable for their sins.

(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


(New Testament | John 9:31)

31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

(New Testament | James 4:17)

17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
(New Testament | Romans 6:12 - 16)

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
(New Testament | Romans 6:6)

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

[Rescued One]

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

reign: hold royal office; rule as king or queen.

If sin reigns in s person's life he hasn't been set free from the power of Satan. Christians are able to resist Satan. Nevertheless, though Satan no longer controls us, he is still allowed to tempt us. Even God the Son was tempted yet He was more powerful than Satan.

"Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Philippians 1
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Hallelujah!

Romans 6
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Amen!

Romans 6:6
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Christians don't serve sin. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have never heard of or seen a Christian advocating sin and neither have you.

By their fruits ye shall know them!

 

[Peter1000]

reign: hold royal office; rule as king or queen.

If sin reigns in s person's life he hasn't been set free from the power of Satan. Christians are able to resist Satan. Nevertheless, though Satan no longer controls us, he is still allowed to tempt us. Even God the Son was tempted yet He was more powerful than Satan.

"Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Philippians 1
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:



Hallelujah!



Amen!



Christians don't serve sin. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have never heard of or seen a Christian advocating sin and neither have you.

By their fruits ye shall know them!

Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York is a Christian, but advocates the killing of infants all the way up to the birth of that infant. That is the most heinous sin I can think of. So yes, I have heard and seen Christians advocating for sin and so have you.

 

[Rescued One]

Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York is a Christian, but advocates the killing of infants all the way up to the birth of that infant. That is the most heinous sin I can think of. So yes, I have heard and seen Christians advocating for sin and so have you.

No, you have not. By their fruits you shall know them.

 

[He is the way]

reign: hold royal office; rule as king or queen.

If sin reigns in s person's life he hasn't been set free from the power of Satan. Christians are able to resist Satan. Nevertheless, though Satan no longer controls us, he is still allowed to tempt us. Even God the Son was tempted yet He was more powerful than Satan.

"Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Philippians 1
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hallelujah!

Amen!

Christians don't serve sin. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have never heard of or seen a Christian advocating sin and neither have you.

By their fruits ye shall know them!

You said: I have never heard of or seen a Christian advocating sin and neither have you.
That is a false statement. Televangelists have advocated sin by their own actions. They have encouraged other ministers to become televangelists and rob the very people they pretend to serve.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jim-bakker-is-indicted-on-federal-charges

 

[Peter1000]

No, you have not. By their fruits you shall know them.

You are absolutely right. Andrew Cuomo fruits are the worst kind of sin you can do. He is a Christian and his fruits are murdering young children right up to the time they are ready to be born. And if they are born, because they botched the late abortion, then the mother has the option to leave the little baby laying on a table until it dies on its own.

Yes, you are right by their fruits you shall know them. And this Christian's fruits, and many, many other New York "Christians" fruits are evil.

Why would you even consider debating the question: All Christians are free from sin. It is an absurd position to take. But, that is why God gives us the doctrine of repentance, to help us get back on the path when we fall off.

 

[mmksparbud]

You are absolutely right. Andrew Cuomo fruits are the worst kind of sin you can do. He is a Christian and his fruits are murdering young children right up to the time they are ready to be born. And if they are born, because they botched the late abortion, then the mother has the option to leave the little baby laying on a table until it dies on its own.

Yes, you are right by their fruits you shall know them. And this Christian's fruits, and many, many other New York "Christians" fruits are evil.

Why would you even consider debating the question: All Christians are free from sin. It is an absurd position to take. But, that is why God gives us the doctrine of repentance, to help us get back on the path when we fall off.

Then they are not true Christians, are they?

 

[Ironhold]

Then they are not true Christians, are they?

"No True Scotsman" doesn't work here.