"Grace alone " is a big excuse for lazy Christians

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Then how do you make sense out of the following Scripture like Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 25:31-46, 1 John 3:15, Titus 1:16, and Romans 8:13? For me: This is clearly teaching we have to do something as a part of everlasting life or to maintain our eternal life status (after being saved by God's grace).

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Please keep in mind that when Paul is condemning the "Law" (like if you seek to be justified by the law you have fallen from grace), he is referring to the OLD Law (i.e. the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole contractually speaking). This was because the context tells us it's the law of Moses because he was talking about the problem of "Circumcision Salvationism" most times. Paul is not referring to the commandments that Jesus gave us that do pertain to inheriting eternal life (See Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 25:31-46, 1 John 3:15, Titus 1:16, Romans 8:13, Revelation 21:8).
Paul wrote the book of Galatians to inform those ones that having begun in the Spirit, they were trying to continue in the flesh by trying to obey a set of rules imposed on them by the Judiast believers from Jerusalem. Paul says that a born again believer trying to continue by complying with rules is actually bewitched (by a spirit of witchcraft). Walking in the Spirit flows from within the believer's new heart on which the new law has been written, rather than a set of outward rules imposed by pastors, elders, disciplers, and churches.
 
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Grace is what forgives a person for sins prior to baptism.

Rom 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

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Rom 3:25 - whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

Grace is the reason and purpose we can live on.
It is not a cheap Grace.
 
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Yes.
But as a saved sinner is a different story.
we should respond to the Grace with passion.
It is not a "Cheap Grace "
Yeah,

But who are you to judge another man's servant?
 
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If you have a problem with grace might want to take it up with God.
And tell Him you would have rather have to work for your eternal life. Of course you will never make it that way but i you want to try well.

You are completely wrong.
I say " a big excuse ".
I know We are not saved by work.

But I consider time spend with God , my prayer , bible study , worshipping God as the most important "Work "!

May be you havn't study Bible for a long time.
 
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Grace is mostly for the beginner although we will always need it. When we truly love him and set our hearts and mind to walk with him the less grace is needed because God does not lead to sin.

Grace is always afresh to us.
We always need Grace, you need less Grace because you dare not to leave the comfort zone to experience the special Grace waiting for you.
 
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A child that has his hand in the cookie jar when he has been told that he had enough needs grace but the one that listens and obeys does not need grace
wrong.
we listens and obeys is because of Grace.
we have to be maintained by Grace of God every minute.
 
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Laziness is one sin in a list of hundreds if nothing thousands of sins. The earthly consequences of laziness are probably not on the big list. See the Ten Commandments for the big ones.

Question: is it not possible to be lazy and still do "something" for Jesus? I believe so, this lazy post is something, and it's done for Jesus, why else would I even care to respond?

Laziness is the break of first commandment.

You should love your God with your whole heart and fear God.

I person obey the First Commandment will not be a Lazy guy.
 
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I remember myself, I thought I could somehow change the church by pointing out everything that was wrong with it. Apparently my efforts caused me to "graduate" from that elementary form of thinking. The graduation process was pretty painful though, I don't envy those who remind me of myself in this way.
 
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People who call others lazy are being judgmental.
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We don't know what hardships they face, how much effort it took for that person to get to church, what is expected of that person away from church, or even if that person is a Christian. Should we drive the less capable and non-Christians away?
wrong.

Everyone like you is the reason behind the poor condition of the church today.
Noone want to improve their spiritual life .
"Grace alone " then " leaves us alone "!
 
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Yeah,

But who are you to judge another man's servant?
I don't judge other servants.
I am not saying you are the one.
But there should be many are.
God ask me to talk about it in the forum.
I fear God , not men.
I judge nobody , God will judge me and you.
 
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What we have to realise is that there is no problem with a believer living in accordance with the fruit of the Spirit, To do this, he must "put on the new man". This takes effort at times, but we are transformed through the renewing of our minds. As converted believers we develop a new way of thinking - "Let this mind be in you", etc.

When we say that we are not saved by works, we are saying that we are not saved by attending church, reading the Bible, saying Mass, worshiping Mary, obeying the canon laws of the church, wearing certain clothing, keeping away from movies and television, doing charitable and religious works, keeping holy days, and not eating certain foods. These are outward observances that anyone with the "Christian badge" can do without a new heart for Christ.
 
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I don't judge other servants.
I am not saying you are the one.
But there should be many are.
God ask me to talk about it in the forum.
I fear God , not men.
I judge nobody , God will judge me and you.
By stating "christians are lazy" and breaking a commandment, this is a form of judgment. The judgment that you have measured to others will be measured to you also. Is that acceptable?
 
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Moralism has never made a Christian, I'll tell you that. Grace does though.

True fruit from a Christian flows from grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Only abiding in the vine may the branches bear fruit, for without the vine we can do nothing.

Good trees bear good fruit, and bad trees bear bad fruit. Change the tree and the fruit will correspond.

Believers, true ones at that by grace alone, inevitably become obedient. It would be a lie in the face to say you wholly trust in the atoning blood of Christ and his salvific work as your own and still walk in a life of unbelief.
Agree.
But what i say is "a Big excuse ".
I know the true meaning of Grace.
I think you too.
But many just hide behind it and take advantage of it.
They are the one really don't understand the Gtrace of God.
 
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By stating "christians are lazy" and breaking a commandment, this is a form of judgment. The judgment that you have measured to others will be measured to you also. Is that acceptable?
No.
Whether you are lazy or not is no matter to me.
God ask me to tell you pray tonight to Jesus to see what is your passion and heart to God.
Fear God , not Men.
 
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Many look at what we should do while ignoring what we were plainly told we shouldn't do, the same things told since the Garden. Stop being self serving and selfishly self determining in order to seek gain at the expense of others, while redefining good and evil to suit our deeds.

In other words put the will of the Father first and love all as self. From the Garden until Jesus' resurrection that is all that scripture has tried to get across regarding our nature. God even gave a new Kingdom for only those hating the world we have made in our own image.
 
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