Also, Lynn, we have how Mary stayed at the feet of Jesus, while her sister Martha was running around busy because she was troubled about many things >
Luke 10:38-42
And then Martha actually tried to interfere with Jesus and Mary's relationship, by telling Jesus to make Mary help Martha. But Jesus stood up for Mary. Mary was the wise one who rested and shared personally with Jesus who is our Groom. Jesus says she chose the good thing and it shall not be taken away from her.
So, if you are with Jesus, resting in Him and staying with Him and learning from Him, you have Jesus Himself standing up for you!!! And so, we men are wise to be able to know a real woman when we see one, and stand up for her.
And Jesus wants me to love ladies, by also encouraging them to rest in Jesus, and stand up for them getting the right rest. And when we have serving going on, at our church, a leader might encourage ladies to make sure they have spent their time sharing with ones who are good for them, and ones whom they are helping, before they jump into serving.
But, in my opinion, we do have certain ladies who can be foolish so they are getting into too much; and their lack of self control in serving can also be a shortcoming for having self control and wisdom in relating and financial matters. So, we need to pray with tender compassion for them, while we ourselves need to grow, ourselves, and not let ourselves get flustered and fluttering around and frustrated.
@Brightmoon > But this requires how a woman needs to become for real with Jesus, so she can benefit from how Jesus and godly men will stand up for her. Instead, Satan would have us supposing God's word is anti-women, so we miss all His word says to honor and help Christian ladies.
Ones fear submission, by the way, because this world does have different sorts of slavery. Even feminists can go along with what foolish men want, by dressing and acting in ways to get the attention of foolish men, instead of becoming for real so they can attract a kind and gentle and humble person. They can complain about how men want to use women; yet they show what they know foolish and selfish men are looking for. They can be seeking equality with men who are foolish and about control and using people > you do not want to become equal to men like this, or else you could become like them in order to get what they have.
But Jesus and God's word stand up against this. And we see how a for-real lady can help a man get real with God > 1 Peter 3:1-4 < and it is good for me a man to know this, so I can pass this scripture on to wives who might have problems in their homes.
And, by the way . . . not to get off track from what I was saying about submission > leaders are ordered not to lord ourselves over . . . anyone >
"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
So, to me this means a leader who is a guy needs to be an example of how ladies need to be submissive!!! He a leader needs to take the lead in all which God's word requires of us men and our sisters and our children. We ourselves need to be submissive to God Himself, in His "rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:28-30); but un-subject women can have a way of running themselves around in what is not the rest of Jesus.
Therefore, we need to stand up for our ladies doing only what Jesus has them doing in His soul-soothing rest, and test if and how Jesus guides them to do things we direct them to do. Because we all first are in submission to Christ guiding us all as one, more and better.
Submission, then, means with Jesus our Groom. And Mary knew how to relate with Jesus; she submitted to Him and so she had companionship with Jesus Himself.
But there are women who are trying to use men for what they want, and the bait they use is what attracts foolish men.
The bait you use can be what chooses the fish you catch.
But I have the example of real ladies of Jesus, how they have compassion with hope for women who are ruined and do not know how to love. And I have such ladies so I can keep feeding on their example of how spoiled women can become. These are submissive, but they are not foolish.