Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

[HeartenedHeart]

...You're trying to by-pass my comment about the new covenant being a unilateral covenant. The new covenant is a gift. Do you need gift explained?

Not at all. Do you need me to explain it takes two persons, one to give and the other to receive? for a gift is never forced?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Agreed... he did not break the Sabbath. Messiah did not sin, breaking the Sabbath is a commandment, and breaking commandments is a sin. Beyond that, all one has to do is read all the verses dealing with the Sabbath IN THE BIBLE and one can learn... quickly... that messiah broke MAN MADE ADDITIONS to God's commandments, and not God's commandments. Picking an eating, for example, doesn't break Sabbath.. picking and selling on the Sabbath does!

I have a question.
Was the Passover considered a sabbath? Note Matthew 24:20:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:20
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter nor on a sabbath
Mark 13:18
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter

That is when the Roman army sieged Jerusalem........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah ! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21......

The vial of divine wrath, which had been so long pouring out upon this devoted city was now emptying, and JERUSALEM, once "a praise in all the earth," and the subject of a thousand prophecies, deprived of' the staff of life, wrapt in flames, and bleeding on every side sunk into utter ruin and desolation.
This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

 

[ace of hearts]

Who is "us"? Be specific.

Exactly who might I be calling us in my question? It would help if you quoted the whole sentence. As it stands you've taken me out of context.

 

[ace of hearts]

Day 2, still waiting for the quotation.

Thirty-five pages of threads takes a while to comb through. I hope these will do? Most of the quotes are properly cited for you.

No one is saved who is a transgressor of the law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and in earth. {RH June 17, 1890, par. 8}

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

I can dig up more for you if you like for support of MPO. The above quotes are proof the SDA church teaches obligation to the law specifically the 7th day sabbath to possess salvation.

 

[ace of hearts]

It's like you never even read the context of the conversation that was had with the person who gave the that reply, and the following responses. The person who gave the original reply misunderstood the content of the video material, by the title of the video material. They did not reject the video material by the content, but by the title, having misunderstood, thinking it went against their position, when in fact, it agreed with their position. Thus my response to them to give the first video another chance, not based upon the title, but by the content in the video.

If people watch the first video in its entirety and still disagree with it, that is their prerogative, but you seem reluctant to even do that.

In it, Dale Ratzlaff is shown to be self-contradictory in his own written material. Which is what happens when people put too much of themselves in print rather than stating what God said.

Like I said the video started out with a personal attack. You just backed this up with you post. You might not get to reply because I think you're on vacation.

 

[ace of hearts]

Then you are without excuse in the time of the judgment of the living to come (Rev. 3:10, 13:12, 17:12), for God will look to you for all the precious material in your house and possession that was given you freely from Heaven, from His own hands.

No God the Father will look at Jesus, not me when it comes to salvation. Your statement above clearly indicates you believe I will be judged on the basis of the law. I refer you to the words of Jesus -

JN 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

According to this I've already passed the judgment.

 

[ace of hearts]

I did not forget anything. I simply know how you (and Dale, etal.) misread the text, for when it says "his (God's) covenant" you instead read 'old covenant', when it doesn't ever say that. God's covenant is the Ten Commandments. The old Covenant is their agreement in Exo. 19.

Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

In Exo. 19 two covenants exist.

"his (God's) covenant", also called "my (God's) covenant" is the Ten Commandments (being God's promises), being eternal, unchanging, never to be abolished, nor altered.

The old covenant was not permanent, for it was based upon their (the peoples faulty) promises, for God found fault with them, "all that the LORD hath spoken we will do."

You therefore do greatly err.

What does Jeremiah say in 31:31-33? Doesn't it require and old covenant? Isn't this identified both in Jeremiah and Deuteronomy?

No error on my part.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all. Do you need me to explain it takes two persons, one to give and the other to receive? for a gift is never forced?

Not true in the case of Israel and the covenant made with them in the desert after departure from Egypt.

 

[Ken Rank]

I have a question.
Was the Passover considered a sabbath? Note Matthew 24:20:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:20
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter nor on a sabbath
Mark 13:18
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter

That is when the Roman army sieged Jerusalem........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah ! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21......

The vial of divine wrath, which had been so long pouring out upon this devoted city was now emptying, and JERUSALEM, once "a praise in all the earth," and the subject of a thousand prophecies, deprived of' the staff of life, wrapt in flames, and bleeding on every side sunk into utter ruin and desolation.
This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Yes and no. Here is the problem...

"Passover" (pesach in Hebrew) is the lamb itself, the sacrificial victim. And because the pesach was killed on the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan (Exd. 12:6, Lev. 23:5), the entire day is known as "Passover." When the lambs were all finally killed (around the same time and on the same day Jesus was killed) people would take home the dead offered lamb and roast it. They would eat it after dark which to a Hebrew, marked the next day (the 15th). That marks the beginning of the week of Unleavened Bread (ULB).

But, because the Passover Lamb was eaten on the first night of ULB, the entire week became known as Passover. You'll see things sold, "Kosher for Passover" which means there is no leaven in whatever it is... yet, Passover was technically just the 14th.

So even in the NT, we see the week of ULB referred to as Passover, we see "Passover" referred to as a High Sabbath, and so forth. These are just cultural things that made it into the NT.

EDIT.... but the day itself, the 14th... is not a Sabbath. John 19:31 should make that clear @LittleLambofJesus

 

[Matthew ten Verseight]

Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

Here is an excellent video series on this subject, that I have been watching, that Youtube recommended to me:

The playlist is 36 videos long, but each is appropriately titled, if anyone desires to go to a specific topic, and most can stand alone, though some recommend other videos prior within them. Here are the video titles (and please note, I do not agree with every statement made in these videos and so if any desire to automatically equate me with said presenter and their words, arguments, please do not do so, nor do I agree with every source material used therein (as for instance, the so-called book of Jasher is referenced in certain instances, which I understand to be nothing but mystic writings masquerading as what the scripture actually refer to, the book of the upright or righteous), and these may be used as springboards for conversation/discussion:

201 - A Response to Dale Ratzlaff, Facing the Critics
202 - No Evening and Morning, No Word Sabbath
203 - No Commandment for Adm to Keep the Sabbath Rest in Genesis
204 - No Sabbath Commandment in the New Testament
205 - Jesus is my Sabbath
206 - Sunday, the First day of the Week in the Bible
207 - Sunday, the Lord's Day and the Early Church Fathers
208 - Early Church Fathers Say Sunday is the Lord's Day
209 - History of the Sabbath, 1st to the 15th Century
210 - History of the Sabbath, 16th to the 19th Century
211 - History of the Sabbath, 20th and 21st Century
212 - Testimony of the Churches
213 - The True Lord's Day Part 1
214 - The True Lord's Day Part 2
215 - Not Under the Law but Under Grace Romans 6:14
216 - Christ is the End of the Law Romans 10:4
217 - Jesus Broke the Sabbath John 5:18
218 - Jesus Fulfilled the Law Matthew 5:17
219 - We Should Keep Every Day Holy Romans 14:5
220 - We Only Need To Keep Two Commandments Matthew 22:37-40
221 - Ten Commandments Written On Stone 2 Corinthians 3:1-18
222 - A Man was Stoned to Death for Picking Up Sticks On The Sabbath
223 - Justified by the Law You are Fallen from Grace Galatians 5:4
224 - Fulfill the Law of Christ Galatians 6:2
225 - Time Has Been Lost We Don't Know When The Sabbath Day Is Part 1
226 - Time Has Been Lost Days, Weeks, Months, And Years Part 2
227 - Words of First Usage Part 3
228 - Words of First Usage Part 4
229 - Where Did The Word Sabbath Come From
230 - Words Of First Usage Where Did The Word Sabbath Come From
231 - Lunar Sabbaths
232 - Calendar Changes And The Sabbath
233 - The International Date Line
234 - One Day In Seven Part 1
235 - One Day In Seven Theory Part 2
236 - New Sabbath in Greek - Matthew 28:1
​

If any video is referred to, please be specific, and if possible, cite the time index of that video, or videos, with quotation where possible, so that I may check the accuracy to respond.

The videos do not have to be watched, but if not considered, please state this.

I found this series to be most enlightening, and I am still going through some of it in detail.

So to begin this thread, my leading questions:

God the Father having created the world by Jesus Christ, in 6 days and so rested the 7th day, blessing and sanctifying it, was that 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3 made for Adam, and all mankind in him?

Is Jesus the second 'man', the last 'Adam' according to the scripture?

Excellent series, and they added one more since this conversation was begun.

 

[BobRyan]

Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

Yes I do.

Ex 20:10 "The seventh day IS Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - for all eternity AFTER the cross in the New Earth.

Is 56:6-8 Sabbath blessing specifically given to gentiles
Acts 13, 17, 18 gentiles in Sabbath after Sabbath worship services to hear gospel preaching.