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She was neither.How do we know Mary was immune ot sin and not just always obedient?
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She was neither.How do we know Mary was immune ot sin and not just always obedient?
She was neither.
Nothing, as it never happened, and no such thing exists except in the erroneous dogma of Rome.So what made the conception immaculate?
Nothing, as it never happened, and no such thing exists except in the erroneous dogma of Rome.
For those that don't know what the Immaculate Conception is, it's a Catholic doctrine that Mary was conceived, born, and lived a sinless life. Ignoring the implications this has for whether or not Christ's work was actually necessary, I wonder why Catholics now see this as essential dogma.
I spoke online with a Catholic, albeit a nonpracticing one, about it. Basically it went something like this:
Me: "Why must Mary be seen as sinless when the Apostles never commented on such a matter?"
Them: "If Christ was born sinless, doesn't He require a sinless mother?"
Me: "No, since He was conceived of the Holy Spirit, and is God in the flesh."
Them: "Even so, why would God be born of a sinful woman?"
Me: "Wouldn't that require Mary to be born of a sinless woman also, and on throughout her ancestry, when we know from Matthew's genealogy that that isn't true?"
Them: "Mary was shielded from original sin."
Me: "So it's necessary for Christ to be born of a sinless woman to avoid the taint of original sin, but not Mary? Isn't that placing less limitations on a Human than on God?"
Them: "Let's just drop it, Mary is very special to me."
Now since this person was nonpracticing, I don't trust that I have all the facts. So Catholics, is there something I'm missing here? Why is it so central that Mary be sinless, rather than simply obedient?
Strange question considering my reply.Are you saying Mary was never born despite the obvious fact she gave birth to Jesus?
I will leave Christ aside and ask why Jesus was able to "abide with sinners" on a regular basis?
How do we know Mary was immune ot sin and not just always obedient?
If Cats is asking whether Mary is impeccable, I do not think the Catholic Church has any formal position on that, although many theologians seems to take that view. The fact that she did not sin is dogma, but whether or not she could have sinned is still an open question, from what I understand.Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium doesn't give us that option. Gabriel referred to Mary as being full of grace, even before she said "yes" to God. It was a part of who she was prior to that moment.
As the New Eve, she necessarily must have been free from the sin of the first Eve (as Eve was born without this sin, obviously). So, we need to rule out the possibility that she had original sin. Gabriel's greeting reinforces this teaching, as she was described as being full of grace (as I already said) before saying yes.
And as far as the Magisterium goes, I have already posted a link to what the Church (founded by Jesus on Peter) has said about her immaculate conception and total freedom from sin.
Honestly I've never understood this at all, even when I was Catholic. The Bible says nothing on the Immaculate Conception of Mary nor that she was sinless NOR that she was always a Virgin (Jesus had siblings people). If God could shield Mary from sin, then why not just do the same for all of us? Why the cross?
Honestly I've never understood this at all, even when I was Catholic. The Bible says nothing on the Immaculate Conception of Mary nor that she was sinless NOR that she was always a Virgin (Jesus had siblings people). If God could shield Mary from sin, then why not just do the same for all of us? Why the cross?
Correct, they were Joseph's.Actually it never says they were the [Mary's] children.
Being a virgin to start with (she was) and the false claim of staying a virgin (error of Rome) are two differing things. Not synonymous.Which Bible version do you read? If it truly did not state Mary was a virgin, nobody would suggest that to be true. There are Bibles that call her a "young woman," but they are new versions, not like the originals.
Correct, they were Joseph's.
Very strongly implied as she appeared alongside His brothers and sisters. Honestly, either they were hers or Joseph has some explaining to doActually it never says they were the Blessed Mothers children.
Do what evil you will. I will do as I will to correct error.Please do not correct my post, it is against the rules and you will be reported next time. I am sorry your heart harbors so much hate for Traditional Christianity and the Theotokos
Another gross heresy.... Theotokos