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[Peter1000]

You're bouncing around. Settle down. Everyone can clearly see your false doctrine.

We DON'T show people how good WE are. We show them how good GOD is in making us new creatures.

I'm not sure what you are saying I was just answering your post 18: No, earning salvation is working for it while you're in Satan's grasp. My response was appropriate. So if I am bouncing around, I am only following you, so I guess you are bouncing around.

We do show people our good works, in Matthew 5 (which apparently you have never read) Jesus says this:
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

My question to you was, do you believe this. Apparently not. Too bad, Jesus said this in our bible.

 

[devin553344]

I'm not sure what you are saying I was just answering your post 18: No, earning salvation is working for it while you're in Satan's grasp. My response was appropriate. So if I am bouncing around, I am only following you, so I guess you are bouncing around.

We do show people our good works, in Matthew 5 (which apparently you have never read) Jesus says this:
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

My question to you was, do you believe this. Apparently not. Too bad, Jesus said this in our bible.

Good catch, you should let your light shine, in humility as a confessed sinner: Luke 18:10-14

 

[Rescued One]

I'm not sure what you are saying I was just answering your post 18: No, earning salvation is working for it while you're in Satan's grasp. My response was appropriate. So if I am bouncing around, I am only following you, so I guess you are bouncing around.

We do show people our good works, in Matthew 5 (which apparently you have never read) Jesus says this:
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

My question to you was, do you believe this. Apparently not. Too bad, Jesus said this in our bible.

I believe the Bible. I disbelieve your lack of understanding. My good works are God's works in me.

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'm not sure what you are saying I was just answering your post 18: No, earning salvation is working for it while you're in Satan's grasp. My response was appropriate. So if I am bouncing around, I am only following you, so I guess you are bouncing around.

We do show people our good works, in Matthew 5 (which apparently you have never read) Jesus says this:
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

My question to you was, do you believe this. Apparently not. Too bad, Jesus said this in our bible.

If you are saying that people who are not Mormon are in Satan's grasp, which I think you may be implying, have you done an in-depth study of what goes on when the senior Apostles, Prophets, and President to into the Temple and participate in the secret rituals and ceremonies there - that are not made known to the rank and file members of the church?

Did you know that those rituals, described by your own literature and revealed by some of our own prophets, are directly connected to Freemasonry, which is a secret "religion" that acknowledges Lucifer as God? It is documented that Temple ritual symbols and dress are so similar to Freemasonry that there can be no coincidence. And because Joseph Smith, along with most of the other original leaders of the Mormon church were Freemasons, it is quite certain that the secret Temple rituals are basically the same. So, having said that, would it be not impossible to believe that the senior leaders of your church to into the Temple and actually worship Lucifer as their God? And what does that say about the "prophecies" and spiritual guidance that they are giving to the rank and file members who are "not worthy" (quoted from Mormon literature), to enter the Temple themselves?

 

[devin553344]

I believe the Bible. I disbelieve your lack of understanding. My good works are God's works in me.

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

I like that scripture, it tells me that I should not be raised in pride because of my righteousness. I owe every good work to God, because He provided them. I am nothing but evil without God. So who's works will save us? God's

 

[Yodas_Prodigy1]

I believe the Bible. I disbelieve your lack of understanding. My good works are God's works in me.

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Ephesians 2
10 For fwe are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The Bible is totally related to The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. I quote the Bible often. I have also said very often that we are not saved by works and neither are we saved without them. Faith without works is dead.

Does that include the Lucifer worshiping Masonic-like rituals and ceremonies that are conducted by your senior Apostles, Prophets, and President when they enter the Temple to participate in these secret worship times that are hidden from the rank and file members? How are these similar to the Bible?

 

[Rescued One]

Does that include the Lucifer worshiping Masonic-like rituals and ceremonies that are conducted by your senior Apostles, Prophets, and President when they enter the Temple to participate in these secret worship times that are hidden from the rank and file members? How are these similar to the Bible?

Worthy women are there, also, as well as other members (those who are called to go on missions, etc.)

 

[Ironhold]

Does that include the Lucifer worshiping Masonic-like rituals and ceremonies that are conducted by your senior Apostles, Prophets, and President when they enter the Temple to participate in these secret worship times that are hidden from the rank and file members? How are these similar to the Bible?

Did you read anything I posted in the other thread about Ed Decker? Any of the links? Anything?

Let it go.

Decker is one of the bad guys. He's using the trust of others to pad his bank account via false horror stories about groups they don't like. Even other hardcore anti-Mormons don't like him.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Did you read anything I posted in the other thread about Ed Decker? Any of the links? Anything?

Let it go.

Decker is one of the bad guys. He's using the trust of others to pad his bank account via false horror stories about groups they don't like. Even other hardcore anti-Mormons don't like him.

Most of what I have stated is from the literature and doctrines of the church itself. And after using Google, there are hundreds of websites giving information about the church and what it does, its doctrines both public and secret.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Saving someone first is like starting a race and after you have ran 1 step, stopping and expecting to get the blue winners ribbon. Doesn't work that way.

There are 4300 commandments in the Mormon faith, and to be fully saved every Mormon has to obey every one without one single fault. That is what LDS church literature teaches. Quite different from the gospel as presented in the New Testament. In fact, Paul quite clearly stated that those who try to follow a set of laws and commandments in order to be saved bring a curse upon themselves.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

There is no wider road than: all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Doesn't matter what you do for the rest of your life you are saved first, and then whatever happens, happens, but you are always saved in my kingdom for Eternal Life.

Wide open for everyone and anyone.

What is it that narrows that gate? It is, believe in me and keep my commandments and endure to the end and by my grace you will be saved. This narrow path is the path to Eternal Life. No other path.

In your doctrine you have to follow every commandment without fault from childhood through to the day of your death. One sin and you are toast! Is that the gospel you are preaching?

 

[He is the way]

We are able to love Him, because He gave us His Spirit. We know His voice and we follow Him. If someone comes to us with a false gospel, we won't follow that impostor because we don't know his voice.
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Why inform me of the Bible? That is my favorite book!

1 John 5
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.




All the books of the Bible are in the Bible. Mormons are living in a mythical land of make-believe.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof arethe ways of death.

Go in through the narrow gate. The gate to destruction is wide, and the road that leads there is easy to follow. A lot of people go through that gate.

You said: "All the books of the Bible are in the Bible." Of course they are, however there are many books mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible. For instance what happened to the book of the covenant mentioned in:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:2)

2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You said: "All the books of the Bible are in the Bible." Of course they are, however there are many books mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible. For instance what happened to the book of the covenant mentioned in:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:2)

2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.

The king read the Torah - the first five books written by Moses; Genesis-Deuteronomy. There is no missing book at all.

But tell me, how come the Book of Mormon has direct quotes from Matthew, who wrote his gospel around 50AD, but the original text that was given to JS was supposed to have been written over 1000 years before. And how come the words were in 1610 KJV language when 1000 years or more before, it was unknown? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would conclude that JS merely copied those passages from his own KJV Bible!

 

[Rescued One]

There is no wider road than: all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you will be saved.

We are given salvation by God that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The wide road is taken by those who want credit and rewards for their works.

Luke 18
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Doesn't matter what you do for the rest of your life you are saved first, and then whatever happens, happens, but you are always saved in my kingdom for Eternal Life.

That is false doctrine and only two of you keep saying it. It denies scripture:


2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1 Corinthians 1
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Titus 2
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

You are a piece of work — God’s work. When Paul says that you are God’s “workmanship,” don’t think of your clunky seventh grade shop class project.
- John Piper

Wide open for everyone and anyone.

What is it that narrows that gate? It is, believe in me and keep my commandments and endure to the end and by my grace you will be saved. This narrow path is the path to Eternal Life. No other path.

Titus 3
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Acts 13
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

[Rescued One]

You said: "All the books of the Bible are in the Bible." Of course they are, however there are many books mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible. For instance what happened to the book of the covenant mentioned in:

(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:2)
2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.

WE HAVE JESUS!

Hebrews 7
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

 

[Rescued One]

If you are saying that people who are not Mormon are in Satan's grasp,

He was quoting me but failed to show that as a quote.

 

[mmksparbud]

You said: "All the books of the Bible are in the Bible." Of course they are, however there are many books mentioned in the Bible that are not in the Bible. For instance what happened to the book of the covenant mentioned in:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:2)

2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.

It doesn't matter what books are missing. You see, if a book is found, it isn't going to say that because of the fall we were able to have children---it will say what the rest of the word has said--children are a blessing from God. It isn't going to say that some human will be judging alongside God, it will say what Jesus says--He is the judge. We will judge what God has already decreed, we will judge fallen angels. Their fate has already been determined--we will see that the Judgment of Jesus is right. It will not say that a different Messiah is coming that is different from the one that the bible states---it will all be in agreement with what has already been said in all the other books of the bible. If it doesn't---then it is not of God. A book could be discovered that talks about some incident in the life of David that we do not now know---but it isn't going to state that David was the one that build the temple---if it does---the book is not of God.
There will be no book discovered that agrees with your doctrines---for they are not of God and contradict what the rest of the bible says. If a book is discovered that says we existed before being born---it is not the word of God.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

WE HAVE JESUS!

Hebrews 7
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

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I know that in saying this to you, I am "preaching to the choir", and as an ex LDS, you will know suredly that they will say they have Jesus too, but it is a different Jesus to the Divine Son of God in the Bible.

I have been in PM conversation with someone who is adamant that her total faith is in Jesus Christ, and I tried to get her to say whether it is the Jesus of the New Testament or Joseph Smith's "Jesus". She hasn't said which one (yet).

In my reading I saw a statement that said that the most anti-Mormon literature is their own! I know that it is nothing new to you, but I have a lot of enjoyment reading "The God Makers" because, regardless of her total criticism of Ed Decker, all he is doing is showing what Mormonism is by their own literature. Their own literature shoots themselves in the foot every time!

 

[He is the way]

The king read the Torah - the first five books written by Moses; Genesis-Deuteronomy. There is no missing book at all.

But tell me, how come the Book of Mormon has direct quotes from Matthew, who wrote his gospel around 50AD, but the original text that was given to JS was supposed to have been written over 1000 years before. And how come the words were in 1610 KJV language when 1000 years or more before, it was unknown? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would conclude that JS merely copied those passages from his own KJV Bible!

No he did not read the Torah, he read the book of the covenant. Joseph Smith did not copy anything from the Bible. He had no written material with him when he dictated the Book of Mormon to the scribes. The gospel was and has been the same since Adam was on the earth. The Book of Mormon teaches how to know good from evil:
(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:12 - 18)

12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually.
13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God.
14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil.
15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.