Protestant reformers reform what?

[FenderTL5]

I can name a dozen off the top of my head. You might want to Google that.

There's probably a dozen or more varieties of baptists alone.

 

[TuxAme]

Lutherans, Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Anglicans, Adventists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Messianics, Quakers, Mennonites, Calvinists, and all of their own splinter groups. All over indulgences?

 

[trophy33]

I'm going to have to stop here because I get the idea that you are either not reading what I have written or you are intentionally mischaracterizing what I've had to say.

Or, you are trying to prove something that does not exist.

There are two main braches of reformed churches - calvinism and lutheranism.

You can get maybe some more detailed ones, but hardly a dozen. Trying to use SDA sect originated in the USA or charismatic movement that is not a protestant thing, is simply a wrong argument.

 

[trophy33]

There's probably a dozen or more varieties of baptists alone.

Baptists are NOT a reformation church.

 

[HTacianas]

I think the point would be stronger if you did not have to go to the far edges of Protestantism--and much later in time than the start of the Protestant movement--in order to find some examples of what you were looking for. One of the churches you cite here isn't even considered to be Protestant by many classifiers.

I'm not going to the edge of protestantism, I'm following its evolution from the beginning until modern times.

 

[FenderTL5]

Baptists are NOT a reformation church.

They are most certainly the result of the reformation.

 

[trophy33]

They are most certainly the result of the reformation.

Its like saying that lutheranism is the result of catholic church.

Baptists had run to USA from Europe because European reformators did not accept them.

 

[Albion]

I'm going to have to stop here because I get the idea that you are either not reading what I have written or you are intentionally mischaracterizing what I've had to say.

Try us again, please. What I wrote was (unintentionally) almost the same as the post you are referring to, so it looks to me that this isn't a case of a poster mischaracterizing what you wrote.

 

[Albion]

I'm not going to the edge of protestantism, I'm following its evolution from the beginning until modern times.

Now, really. When was the Seventh-day Adventist church founded? 19th century. That was one of your choices, as was the charismatic/Pentecostal churches or movements that also date from fairly recent history--long after the Reformation by any reckoning. And as for the "edge," no one can seriously consider either of those to be mainstream Protestant.

 

[HTacianas]

Or, you are trying to prove something that does not exist.

There are two main braches of reformed churches - calvinism and lutheranism.

You can get maybe some more detailed ones, but hardly a dozen. Trying to use SDA sect originated in the USA or charismatic movement that is not a protestant thing, is simply a wrong argument.

Due to the earlier stated multitude of denominations, this section discusses only the largest denominational families, or branches, widely considered to be a part of Protestantism. These are, in alphabetical order: Adventist, Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist (Reformed), Lutheran, Methodist and Pentecostal. A small but historically significant Anabaptist branch is also discussed.

Protestantism - Wikipedia

 

[HTacianas]

Try us again, please. What I wrote was (unintentionally) almost the same as the post you are referring to, so it looks to me that this isn't a case of a poster mischaracterizing what you wrote.

This is what I wrote:

But protestantism eventually snowballed into changes of doctrines among thousands of different competing ideologies, each at odds with and often condemning the others.

 

[trophy33]

Due to the earlier stated multitude of denominations, this section discusses only the largest denominational families, or branches, widely considered to be a part of Protestantism. These are, in alphabetical order: Adventist, Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist (Reformed), Lutheran, Methodist and Pentecostal. A small but historically significant Anabaptist branch is also discussed.

Protestantism - Wikipedia

Only Anglican, Calvinist, Lutheran and maybe Methodists can be accepted as reformation churches.

Pentecostal, Adventists are modern American churches. The simple fact that they are not RCC does not mean they are automatically part of reformation.

But still, I was responding to: "thousands of different competing ideologies, each at odds with and often condemning the others"

There is no such thing.

 

[Albion]

-Wikipedia??

This is what I wrote:

But protestantism eventually snowballed into changes of doctrines among thousands of different competing ideologies, each at odds with and often condemning the others.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why did Yahushua PRAISE WITH GREAT THANKSGIVING OPENLY the FATHER IN HEAVEN

for hiding salvation from the educated and revealing it to little children ?

Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and ...

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[HTacianas]

-Wikipedia??

I don't understand your question.

 

[Albion]

Post 31 is much too simplistic. And the alleged evolution you want to focus on is an illusion, meaningless, and not confined to Protestantism anyway. The Eastern Orthodox churches have split and split again and so has the Roman Catholic Church.

None of this recent tit-for-tat is helping clarify anything, I am sorry to say.

 

[HTacianas]

Only Anglican, Calvinist, Lutheran and maybe Methodists can be accepted as reformation churches.

Pentecostal, Adventists are modern American churches. The simple fact that they are not RCC does not mean they are automatically part of reformation.

But still, I was responding to: "thousands of different competing ideologies, each at odds with and often condemning the others"

There is no such thing.

So, when the Baptists say women cannot be pastors and the Methodists say they can, the two groups are not at odds with each other?

 

[FireDragon76]

Now, really. When was the Seventh-day Adventist church founded? 19th century. That was one of your choices, as was the charismatic/Pentecostal churches or movements that also date from fairly recent history--long after the Reformation by any reckoning. And as for the "edge," no one can seriously consider either of those to be mainstream Protestant.

Some scholars now consider Pentecostalism something else altogether, since it shifts the emphasis from doctrine to praxis. Some Neo-Pentecostal groups don't even have an emphasis on doctrine at all, merely orthopraxis as they understand it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, when the Baptists say women cannot be pastors and the Methodists say they can, the two groups are not at odds with each other?

No matter -
Jesus just lets everyone squabble outside until /if/ they learn to work together for His Sake, before they come in.

 

[FireDragon76]

They are most certainly the result of the reformation.

The English reformation in particular. They adopted a few Anabaptist principles but they are generally recognized now as product of the Lollards and English Calvinism.