Cessationism: Tongues, Prophecy, and the Gift of Miracles Have Ceased.

[David Kent]

Understandable concern. Just give me a cogent explanation as to how Paul authenticated the voice and vision on the Road to Damascus - a voice contradicting his previous exegesis-based conclusions - and then we'll be happy to tell YOU how to authenticate the experiences of today.

Because I, personally, tend to think of Paul as an excellent model to follow. Don't you?

Yes. But Paul's experience was unique,

 

[JIMINZ]

Yes. But even #3 is a gift of the Spirit. You can't pray in the spirit without the Spirit.

While what you are saying is true, that is a given, everyone knows we a Believer receives the Holy Spirit within them, even if they do not Pray in Tongues.

I know It sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but we are infilled with the Spirit upon our Baptism, and a Believer receives the Gifts at a different time, not at all related to the Indwelling.

This in my opinion is part of the problem people have, they are believing it all take place at the same time when it clearly does not, just because a Bleiever has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, does not mean they have any of the Gifts of the Spirit.

 

[W2L]

 

[JIMINZ]

All of scripture, but your experience may be no different from the experience of nuslims and hindus. Thye have prophrecy and tongues. Mohammed had prophecy, even the apostate king Saul prophecied.

Mohammed was a False Prophet.

It is impossible for Muslims and Hindus to have Prophecy and Tongues, they are both False Religions and do not in any way represent the One True God.

Like I said, just because something may be used out of order, does not mean it has ceased.

All of Scripture does not say what you think it says.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

While what you are saying is true, that is a given, everyone knows we a Believer receives the Holy Spirit within them, even if they do not Pray in Tongues.

I know It sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but we are infilled with the Spirit upon our Baptism, and a Believer receives the Gifts at a different time, not at all related to the Indwelling.

This in my opinion is part of the problem people have, they are believing it all take place at the same time when it clearly does not, just because a Bleiever has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, does not mean they have any of the Gifts of the Spirit.

If the Gifts come from the Holy Spirit, don't we get them when we receive Him? When they are expressed or utilized is a different matter. But I won't argue with you on when we get them because we're already in agreement that they exist

 

[JCFantasy23]

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