Why there is no clear mention of trinity in the old testament?

[gadar perets]

I already explained this earlier, they are co-equal in divinity and nature not in authority.

You are giving me the traditions of men. Such a division is not found in Scripture.

 

[Not David]

You are giving me the traditions of men. Such a division is not found in Scripture.

Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men

 

[Barney2.0]

You are giving me the traditions of men. Such a division is not found in Scripture.

You’d have to prove to me that Sola Scriptura is infact something the early Church or even Judaism teaches.

 

[gadar perets]

Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men

So, in other words, we can allow perverted pedophiles and wicked men to form our doctrines out of their perverted minds?

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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Of course, the perverted, wicked men you build your traditions and doctrines on have changed the law (Torah) and the testimony (the Ten Commandments). There is no light in them. Their darkness continues to pervade the Catholic Church. Even to this day they continue their perverted, wicked, pedophile ways.

 

[gadar perets]

You’d have to prove to me that Sola Scriptura is intact something the early Church or even Judaism teaches.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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I'm glad you recognize that the "early Church" taught that "Sola Scriptura is intact". It was the later perverted church that rejected Sola Scriptura so they could foist their false doctrines upon naive people.

 

[A_Thinker]

Old testament clearly states God is One and there is no mention of God being 3 personalities? Is it possible God was made into 3 personalities from just One personality ?

God is one ... like the US is one ... like GM is one ... like my wife and I are one.

Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

Trinity is an attempt to understand the nature of God.

Fortunately, our relationship with God is not dependent upon our complete understanding of His far more advanced nature.

That knowledge only BEGINS to be unveiled in the Old Testament, and, is subsequently developed, as are other themes in the Bible.

Genesis 1:26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[A_Thinker]

First commandment is clear that God is One and not God is trinity

God is One what ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Why wouldnt God just mention the trinity just once instead of mentioning God is One. The reason God says He's one is the very reason that he knew people would make God as more than One.

Why would He ?

Is the perfect/complete knowledge of God's manifestation necessary for relationship with Him ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Simple Bible says God is One and you say God is 3 persons and not one personality. One is 1 not 3

Jesus said ... "My Father and I are One."

 

[A_Thinker]

Trinity - The Father is God; The Son is God; The Holy Spirit is God and they are three separate persons. That is three Gods. Just because Christians say it is "one" God does not make it so.

Jesus said "My Father and I are One."

How does that work ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Absurd! A person is a being. Three persons = three beings unless you are a trinitarian who twists logic to prove a doctrine.

You are trying to use LOGIC to understand an unfathomable Being ...

 

[A_Thinker]

You are correct in your use of "someONE" rather than two or more Creators.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[A_Thinker]

I agree that the New Testament writers wrote about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They did NOT write about how they are three separate persons that comprise the one God or that they are co-equal and co-eternal. That was all added long after the NT was written.

The New Testament does say that EACH is GOD ...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

 

[A_Thinker]

Can you explain "One Diety" clearly. Does that One dirty has a consciousness of its own. And if it does that makes 4th one in the Trinity.

One Deity = One Godhead = All that is God

 

[A_Thinker]

So you believe in trinity because your NT writers believed it?

Do you believe anything which has not been written ???

 

[A_Thinker]

If the Son is God and the Father is God and the Son is not the Father as the trinity doctrine proclaims, then you have two Gods - idolatry.

Not biblically.

John 1 say that the WORD was WITH GOD ... and WAS GOD.

 

[A_Thinker]

If the Son is subject to the Father, then the Son is NOT co-equal.

Nonsense.

I am equal (in being) to my father, ... and yet I am subject to him ...

 

[Barney2.0]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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I'm glad you recognize that the "early Church" taught that "Sola Scriptura is intact". It was the later perverted church that rejected Sola Scriptura so they could foist their false doctrines upon naive people.

I meant to say infact, and the verse you quoted doesn’t prove Sola Scriptura which literally means by scripture alone, where does the verse say that we are to look only to scripture as an authority on faith. I don’t even understand how Protestants or those that hold to Sola Scriptura can even use this verse when it contains nothing that indicates the doctrine of using scripture alone as an authority on faith. If the early church held to using scripture alone then you’d have to produce a single statement from any of the early Church Fathers or early Christians confirming the doctrine. Even traditional Judaism historically never accepted the concept of using scripture alone.

 

[Barney2.0]

So, in other words, we can allow perverted pedophiles and wicked men to form our doctrines out of their perverted minds?

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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Of course, the perverted, wicked men you build your traditions and doctrines on have changed the law (Torah) and the testimony (the Ten Commandments). There is no light in them. Their darkness continues to pervade the Catholic Church. Even to this day they continue their perverted, wicked, pedophile ways.

What does pedophilia in the Catholic Church have to do with this discussion? As if other religious groups never get problems like pedophilia. The Catholic Church gave you the whole New Testament and the Catholic Church was and is the first and only Church Christ founded. The early Christians referred to themselves as Catholics aswell. So I’m sorry what did the Catholic Church change in the Torah and Ten Commandments?

 

[Not David]

So, in other words, we can allow perverted pedophiles and wicked men to form our doctrines out of their perverted minds?

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
​

Of course, the perverted, wicked men you build your traditions and doctrines on have changed the law (Torah) and the testimony (the Ten Commandments). There is no light in them. Their darkness continues to pervade the Catholic Church. Even to this day they continue their perverted, wicked, pedophile ways.

I'm not Catholic, and what a pity you ran out of arguments so you need to insult.