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Before commenting, I would like to apologize for not responding as quickly as I would like. My time here could be labeled "Me free time"; which sometimes isn't much.
Please allow me to make a few comments, as concisely as possible. Theologians have debated these subjects for quite some time. If the Reformed position was as strong Scripurally as some believe, there would be no debate. If we are to claim a Sola Scriptura position, we should be able to support our position with Scripture.
The subject of this thread is the inconsistencies of 1) the Covenant of Redemption; 2) the Covenant of Works; and 3) the Covenant of Grace.
Here is the main problem ... the Covenant of Redemption being made prior to the other two covenants, demands the transgression of Adam. It doesn't simply "allow" it. When God determined that He would be the Redeemer PRIOR to the creation, that of necessity means that it wasn't that God would simply ALLOW Adam to transgress, it required it.
I see in your comment above the continual use of the word "allow" when referring to the word "decree". Allow simply falls short of the requirement of a sinner in need of a Redeemer.
God determined Himself to be the Redeemer because He knew Adam would sin. The question is, did God determine the events of the Garden of Eden, or did God simply know the events of the Garden of Eden via His omniscience?
What is the difference?
If man truly, and freely without any intervention on God's part, then Adam is solely responsible. However, if God not only decreed Adam to transgress, but also determined the events in the Garden of Eden that would bring forth Adam's transgression, then God shares in the responsibility of the transgression of Adam. This is not an minor point. Rather, it must be understood that this one transgression would also condemn the entire human race. This means that, if Adam acted alone, without any intervention from God, Adam is also responsible for the entire human race. However, if God intervened with Adam's transgression, He is also responsible for the fall of the entire human race.
The inconsistency of these Covenants is that since God determines all events, and God is the cause of all events, then God cannot make Covenants that hold man accountable, for what He has determined.
Please allow me to make a few comments, as concisely as possible. Theologians have debated these subjects for quite some time. If the Reformed position was as strong Scripurally as some believe, there would be no debate. If we are to claim a Sola Scriptura position, we should be able to support our position with Scripture.
The subject of this thread is the inconsistencies of 1) the Covenant of Redemption; 2) the Covenant of Works; and 3) the Covenant of Grace.
Here is the main problem ... the Covenant of Redemption being made prior to the other two covenants, demands the transgression of Adam. It doesn't simply "allow" it. When God determined that He would be the Redeemer PRIOR to the creation, that of necessity means that it wasn't that God would simply ALLOW Adam to transgress, it required it.
I see in your comment above the continual use of the word "allow" when referring to the word "decree". Allow simply falls short of the requirement of a sinner in need of a Redeemer.
God determined Himself to be the Redeemer because He knew Adam would sin. The question is, did God determine the events of the Garden of Eden, or did God simply know the events of the Garden of Eden via His omniscience?
What is the difference?
If man truly, and freely without any intervention on God's part, then Adam is solely responsible. However, if God not only decreed Adam to transgress, but also determined the events in the Garden of Eden that would bring forth Adam's transgression, then God shares in the responsibility of the transgression of Adam. This is not an minor point. Rather, it must be understood that this one transgression would also condemn the entire human race. This means that, if Adam acted alone, without any intervention from God, Adam is also responsible for the entire human race. However, if God intervened with Adam's transgression, He is also responsible for the fall of the entire human race.
The inconsistency of these Covenants is that since God determines all events, and God is the cause of all events, then God cannot make Covenants that hold man accountable, for what He has determined.
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