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You just ignore it in favor of the laws of men.

I read this passage:

11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.

And I've checked to see if Jesus was telling the truth about the Father
working through local law. I found it was correct.
What Does the Bible Say About Government? - OpenBible.info





Your arguments are all based upon peppering us with reams of scripture taken out of context & twisting it's meaning.
I've begun including all the context.
Thanks for suggesting it!
But I do provide links to the context as much as possible.
 
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I don't particularly hold the Didache in particular doctrinal regard, however I do seriously note that it displays what people a lot closer to the teaching of Apostles, and a lot more familiar with the society of the Apostles believed that the Apostles taught about doctrine.

It actually is believed to be from Syria. Perhaps it dates to the late first or second centuries. I don't believe we have proof it is apsotolic, and we do know from textual scholarship it represents a rural perspective.

It has some beautiful prayers in it. We use it sometimes in our church as a resource, but it's not a basis for doctrine.

It's attitude towards abortion is noted but it's not the last word on Christian ethics as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Saying that "Jesus believed that the Father worked through the local law." forms wrong logic, then, was GOD "working through" Nero to torture & martyr Christians? or God was "working through" Stalin to brutally murder 20 million innocent people?or "working through" Hitler to murder 6 million Jews? Instead He was telling Pilate this was His destiny being fulfilled. It was preordained by the LORD that Jesus was the sent Messiah, Savior, to be the pass-over lamb slaughtered by crucifixion on Calvary for the sins of the world, for all who would repent & believe on Jesus death & His resurrection. The Bible tells us this is a fallen world under the sway of Satan, but Christian's are to be salt and light and stand apart from the world & occupy until we see Jesus.

Yes. God has planned every event for every person, birth to death.
Every event ever happened is preordained.
 
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No God does not support murder of babies. And no this does not mean you condone a government which supports murder.
Abortions are legal in every state and I submit to local laws as scripture requires.

Proverbs 20:2
The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: who so provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul

Daniel 6:3-5
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3,1
1 Timothy 2,1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20

1 Timothy 6:15-16
Proverbs 21:1
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15
Ecclesiastes 8:2-5

John 19:10-11
Daniel 2:21
2 Chronicles 7:14

Exodus 18:21
Romans 8:28
1 Corinthians 14:40

Deuteronomy 1:13
Romans 12:21
Romans 13:2
Romans 13:6-7

Proverbs 20:8
Proverbs 20:26
 
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Does scripture say to not take the mark of the beast?
I've not gotten into this mark of the beast issue.

It says that those who take it will suffer the consequences. It is up to every man to choose the consequences.
 
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It says that those who take it will suffer the consequences. It is up to every man to choose the consequences.

Seems that some are blinded until God removes the blinders?

When Paul had his blinders removed he was doing nothing good and seeking God in no way apparently?

M-Bob
 
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Correct... WHEN obeying man makes us directly disobey God. The rabbinic authorities told the disciples to NOT teach about Jesus; but HE ordered them to preach the gospel starting there in Jerusalem.

Do not take that as carte blanch to just disobey civil or religious authority.
I agree. Now is skywriting can see that, it would be great.
 
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He was telling that to the High priest and group of bishops.
How was explaining that the church leaders were bunk.
The sanhedrin was a Jewish government authority who was essentially the supreme court of the Jews. It wasn't merely a group of bishops (there wasn't any bishops). Regardless, who do you think established this authority? Furthermore, Peter didn't merely disagree with the authority, he refused to obey them. Why are you refusing to see that. Why are you rejecting the word of God?
 
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Does scripture say to not take the mark of the beast?
No, it only says that if you do you will go to hell. I mean...unless hell is okay with you, you probably shouldn't receive the mark. But eh ...whatever makes the feds happy...right?
 
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No, it only says that if you do you will go to hell. I mean...unless hell is okay with you, you probably shouldn't receive the mark. But eh ...whatever makes the feds happy...right?
Where does it say that? I really avoid Revelation but.....
 
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Correct... WHEN obeying man makes us directly disobey God. The rabbinic authorities told the disciples to NOT teach about Jesus; but HE ordered them to preach the gospel starting there in Jerusalem.

I would point out that they didn't just refuse to obey without a legal argument. They had a legal argument:

But Peter and John replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to listen to you rather than God. As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard."

Peter and John demanded that the judges of Israel give a judgment. By what law did the Sanhedrin judge? By the Mosaic Law.

In Leviticus 5, the Mosaic law states that it is a sin not to tell what one has seen and heard.
 
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The sanhedrin was a Jewish government authority who was essentially the supreme court of the Jews. It wasn't merely a group of bishops (there wasn't any bishops). Regardless, who do you think established this authority? Furthermore, Peter didn't merely disagree with the authority, he refused to obey them. Why are you refusing to see that. Why are you rejecting the word of God?

Becasue the other 20 passages say to submit to all human authority? That's the "best" reason.
The one passage were Peter tells the Sadducees High Priest to take-a-hike, I kind of like that one. Also becasue they were not the accepted authority for public life, but limited to high crimes and controlling the temple. Which is why that particular sect disappeared when the temple was destroyed.

17But the high priest rose up, along with all his associates (that is the sect of the Sadducees), and they were filled with jealousy. 18They laid hands on the apostles and put them in a public jail. 19But during the night an angel of the Lord opened the gates of the prison, and taking them out he said, 20“Go, stand and speak to the people in the temple the whole message of this Life.” 21Upon hearing this, they entered into the temple about daybreak and began to teach.
Now when the high priest and his associates came, they called the Council together, even all the Senate of the sons of Israel, and sent orders to the prison house for them to be brought. 22But the officers who came did not find them in the prison; and they returned and reported back, 23saying, “We found the prison house locked quite securely and the guards standing at the doors; but when we had opened up, we found no one inside.”24Now when the captain of the temple guard and the chief priests heard these words, they were greatly perplexed about them as to what would come of this. 25But someone came and reported to them, “The men whom you put in prison are standing in the temple and teaching the people!”26Then the captain went along with the officers and proceeded to bring them back without violence (for they were afraid of the people, that they might be stoned).

27When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them, 28saying, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.” 29But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.


Vs.

Proverbs 20:2
The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: who so provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul

Daniel 6:3-5
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3,1
1 Timothy 2,1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20

1 Timothy 6:15-16
Proverbs 21:1
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15
Ecclesiastes 8:2-5

John 19:10-11
Exodus 18:21
Romans 8:28
1 Corinthians 14:40

Deuteronomy 1:13
Romans 12:21
Romans 13:2
Romans 13:6-7

Proverbs 20:8
Proverbs 20:26
 
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Now if we can only convince Skywriting of this it would be great.

People have different beliefs. Sadly, many will be destroyed for lack of knowledge. If worldly authority has a higher place for someone that God's Word, then I feel sorry for that person when s/he stands before God's Word.
 
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Acts 5:29 “We must obey God rather than human beings!"
This is one of my biggest issues. People will take Romans 13 completely out of context and use it to suggest that we should always obey the Government no matter what. That not only ignores Acts 5:29 but also the broader context of Romans 13 itself.
 
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No, it only says that if you do you will go to hell. I mean...unless hell is okay with you, you probably shouldn't receive the mark. But eh ...whatever makes the feds happy...right?
How is the government involved again?
 
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This is one of my biggest issues. People will take Romans 13 completely out of context and use it to suggest that we should always obey the Government no matter what. That not only ignores Acts 5:29 but also the broader context of Romans 13 itself.

OK. But the Acts 5:29 context is telling the High Priest he has no business meddling in religious freedoms and evangelical efforts. So your top rebuttal is not even related to secular government.

And there are other passages on the topic of earth based government:



1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

1 Timothy 2:1-3
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

Psalm 22:28
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

Daniel 2:20-21
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Proverbs 21:1
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
“You shall appoint judges and officers in all your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous. Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Revelation 1:5-6
And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

Matthew 22:21
They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

John 19:10-11
So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

Exodus 18:21
Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.

Proverbs 8:15
By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;

Mark 3:24
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Daniel 4:32
And you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. And you shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.”

Luke 20:25
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”
 
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