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Okay, those are very interesting points. What Seth Dahl said is indeed an issue. God (and Jesus is indeed God) asks no one for forgiveness, ever. He is the One Who forgives us, not the other way around. What audacity for him to claim he forgave God!

And Seth Dahl is teaching children at Bethel.

Still, people will find a way to excuse him and explain it away as no big deal.
Did you notice how everyone is kind of swaying back and forth in the same direction in the video?

That's a sign of hypnotism, all the teaching is taken in as a hypnotic suggestion so people just accept it kind of like they're in a dream.
 
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When dealing with teachings ingrained by hypnotism, using rational arguments is pointless. The person themselves needs to notice something is wrong and remove themselves from that environment. After removing from the environment, much psychological "deconstruction" will be required along with prayer and bible study of course.
 
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Still, people will find a way to excuse him and explain it away as no big deal.

Yes. Many of the jesus culture/hillsong fans will blindly defend these bands because they've invested in their albums, or invested with their emotions. On the other hand there are many who delete all of this rubbish when they learn of the apostasy of these bands, and who owns them.

It is quite sad though to see so many defending these bands even when the evidence is presented. The youth today are very diligent with their technology and do read about Hillsong and jesus culture. When they read about their favorite bands, they learn about Bethel and Bill Johnson.

Bethel church doesn't need to build 5 million churches across the world to infect us. All they need do is get into your church, which they are already doing. There are three churches in my area so far using the teachings of Bill Johnson. So although many here think it's only music and so who cares, well it's not simply music guys. Bethel false doctrines are being taught in your backyard.
 
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Here’s a video where Bill Johnson tells his congregation that God is “in charge but not in control.” (Starting at the 5:16 minute mark)


Johnson goes on to talk about how that means we have “dominion” here on earth, which ties into their belief regarding the “7 Mountain Mandate” and how WE are building God’s kingdom for Him. Johnson even goes on to refer to the teaching that God’s hands are “handcuffed” and released through prayer and that God did not allow Jesus’ death “for a purpose.”

The absolute heresy should be more than evident here.
 
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When dealing with teachings ingrained by hypnotism, using rational arguments is pointless. The person themselves needs to notice something is wrong and remove themselves from that environment. After removing from the environment, much psychological "deconstruction" will be required along with prayer and bible study of course.

It is true that so many are very deceived by these false teachers. Any of us could be. What’s also truly sad is that one of their main arguments (and I have had this said to me personally a number of times) is “you should just go to Bethel yourself”. No, one does not need to subject oneself to further false teaching to know it is false. One needs to search the Scriptures and test all things.
 
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It is true that so many are very deceived by these false teachers. Any of us could be. What’s also truly sad is that one of their main arguments (and I have had this said to me personally a number of times) is “you should just go to Bethel yourself”. No, one does not need to subject oneself to further false teaching to know it is false. One needs to search the Scriptures and test all things.
If the whole church turns into a magic casting assembly or a group of atheist church kids who parrot the same doctrines as their forefathers, I have no obligation to participate in either, Jesus will continue to build His church, this I believe.
 
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Yes. Many of the jesus culture/hillsong fans will blindly defend these bands because they've invested in their albums, or invested with their emotions. On the other hand there are many who delete all of this rubbish when they learn of the apostasy of these bands, and who owns them.

It is quite sad though to see so many defending these bands even when the evidence is presented. The youth today are very diligent with their technology and do read about Hillsong and jesus culture. When they read about their favorite bands, they learn about Bethel and Bill Johnson.

Bethel church doesn't need to build 5 million churches across the world to infect us. All they need do is get into your church, which they are already doing. There are three churches in my area so far using the teachings of Bill Johnson. So although many here think it's only music and so who cares, well it's not simply music guys. Bethel false doctrines are being taught in your backyard.

I agree. Bill Johnson is on record saying that he wants Jesus Culture to be a means by which their teachings go out to many other churches. It is very true that it is far from “just music.” (And music is very powerful and plays on our emotions.)

When someone is preaching “another Jesus” we absolutely must speak up in any way we can. People can and do get offended and angry, a couple of my family members are with me, because they have indeed elevated their teachers or organizations above the word of God and what it clearly says.
 
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If the whole church turns into a magic casting assembly or a group of atheist church kids who parrot the same doctrines as their forefathers, I have no obligation to participate in either, Jesus will continue to build His church, this I believe.

As do I. There will always be a faithful remnant.
 
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Until about a month ago, I wasn't aware of the existence of these bands. It appears they are seducing followers through their glamour rock music fused with watered down gospel lyrics. The hope is that their followers will inevitably join and learn the false doctrines of Bethel church.

I learned of the bands existence while researching the usual suspects (Bill Johnson, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Sin Roth, etc). This is where I learned about the operation of Bethel church, Hillsong, and jesus culture.

I tuned into my local Christian radio station recently and recognized some of the songs. Shocker! I did not know the church I was attending had been singing their songs in church.
The worship team is young, but do they really need to adopt these apostate bands into the church?

I would not have as much of a problem if it was only the music but someone at the church allowed an announcement recently, asking if people want to join a group on the works of Bill Johnson! I don't want to speak against the church or the pastor but I don't think this should be allowed. The church needs people with discernment to keep false teachings out of the church, and stand against apostates. I don't know if the church is out of touch or if they are trying to please everyone.

What false doctrines are you referring to friend?
 
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When someone is preaching “another Jesus” we absolutely must speak up in any way we can. People can and do get offended and angry, a couple of my family members are with me, because they have indeed elevated their teachers or organizations above the word of God and what it clearly says.

Another Jesus that is not of the bible is demonic. And I therefore wonder the spiritual ramifications for listening to music of that nature. Is this going a bit far? Well no, at least not from what I've read about protecting ourselves in spiritual warfare.
 
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Until about a month ago, I wasn't aware of the existence of these bands. It appears they are seducing followers through their glamour rock music fused with watered down gospel lyrics. The hope is that their followers will inevitably join and learn the false doctrines of Bethel church.

I learned of the bands existence while researching the usual suspects (Bill Johnson, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Sin Roth, etc). This is where I learned about the operation of Bethel church, Hillsong, and jesus culture.

I tuned into my local Christian radio station recently and recognized some of the songs. Shocker! I did not know the church I was attending had been singing their songs in church.
The worship team is young, but do they really need to adopt these apostate bands into the church?

I would not have as much of a problem if it was only the music but someone at the church allowed an announcement recently, asking if people want to join a group on the works of Bill Johnson! I don't want to speak against the church or the pastor but I don't think this should be allowed. The church needs people with discernment to keep false teachings out of the church, and stand against apostates. I don't know if the church is out of touch or if they are trying to please everyone.

Personally I love hillsong’s music. Their doctrines may differ from mine but their intent is to praise and worship God and they do it very well in my opinion. What lyrics have you heard that you disagree with?
 
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Personally I love hillsong’s music. Their doctrines may differ from mine but their intent is to praise and worship God and they do it very well in my opinion. What lyrics have you heard that you disagree with?

I would recommend that you read through the thread to get a better understanding of the conversation. Thanks.
 
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These bands are owned by Bethel church of supernatural ministry and magic. If you're not familiar, kindly read through the thread.

Where did you find that information? They have their own church. This is their beliefs...

Hillsong was formerly affiliated with Australian Christian Churches (the Assemblies of God in Australia), which belongs within the Pentecostaltradition of Christianity. The church's beliefs are Evangelical and Pentecostal in that it holds the Bible as the truth and authoritative in matters of faith. They believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, and the only begotten Son of the Father, who reconciled humanity to God through his death and resurrection. The church believes forgiveness for the wrong it considers people to have done and being part of God's family can only be achieved through repenting of such wrongs, believing in Jesus as people's Lord and saviour, and submitting to his will for people's lives. They believe that in order to live a fruitful Christian life a person should, among other things, seek baptism in the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit enables the use of spiritual gifts, which include, and are not limited to, speaking in tongues.[22]

Hillsong's positions on non-central doctrines of the faith are diverse, although individuals may have taken a public stand on many topical issues in contemporary Christianity is in keeping with mainstream Pentecostalism - e.g. opposing embryonic stem cell research and abortion based on a belief that human life commences at conception.[23] Hillsong has also declared support for Creationism and Intelligent Design and believes this should be taught in schools.[24][25][26][27] It also believes that homosexuality is contrary to biblical teaching but emphasises that it does not condemn homosexuals.
 
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I would recommend that you read through the thread to get a better understanding of the conversation. Thanks.

I did read the OP but I don’t see any evidence that they’re owned by Bethel church.
 
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Where did you find that information? They have their own church. This is their beliefs...

Hillsong was formerly affiliated with Australian Christian Churches (the Assemblies of God in Australia),

A quick google search will show you. Read above, they are no longer affiliated with any denominational church. Why? Because their doctrines are wayyyy off the map.
 
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Here’s a video where Bill Johnson tells his congregation that God is “in charge but not in control.” (Starting at the 5:16 minute mark)


Johnson goes on to talk about how that means we have “dominion” here on earth, which ties into their belief regarding the “7 Mountain Mandate” and how WE are building God’s kingdom for Him. Johnson even goes on to refer to the teaching that God’s hands are “handcuffed” and released through prayer and that God did not allow Jesus’ death “for a purpose.”

The absolute heresy should be more than evident here.
He touches on some good points, (such as living by faith continuously, implying a need for consistent maturity) but his main underlying issue is his quantifying of people, faith, and God's kingdom. The kingdom of God resists quantification, I think this inner idolatry might be the source of the other heresies.
 
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Where did you find that information? They have their own church. This is their beliefs...

Hillsong was formerly affiliated with Australian Christian Churches (the Assemblies of God in Australia), which belongs within the Pentecostaltradition of Christianity. The church's beliefs are Evangelical and Pentecostal in that it holds the Bible as the truth and authoritative in matters of faith. They believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, and the only begotten Son of the Father, who reconciled humanity to God through his death and resurrection. The church believes forgiveness for the wrong it considers people to have done and being part of God's family can only be achieved through repenting of such wrongs, believing in Jesus as people's Lord and saviour, and submitting to his will for people's lives. They believe that in order to live a fruitful Christian life a person should, among other things, seek baptism in the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit enables the use of spiritual gifts, which include, and are not limited to, speaking in tongues.[22]

Hillsong's positions on non-central doctrines of the faith are diverse, although individuals may have taken a public stand on many topical issues in contemporary Christianity is in keeping with mainstream Pentecostalism - e.g. opposing embryonic stem cell research and abortion based on a belief that human life commences at conception.[23] Hillsong has also declared support for Creationism and Intelligent Design and believes this should be taught in schools.[24][25][26][27] It also believes that homosexuality is contrary to biblical teaching but emphasises that it does not condemn homosexuals.
It was formerly affiliated with, meaning no longer affiliated with.

What teachers actually teach from this movement seems more relevant than a strawman statement that they're not affiliated with.
 
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He touches on some good points, (such as living by faith continuously, implying a need for consistent maturity) but his main underlying issue is his quantifying of people, faith, and God's kingdom. The kingdom of God resists quantification, I think this inner idolatry might be the source of the other heresies.

Yeah, total heretic. This is how it works. They mix in their own false doctrines among what's sound. They twist it, invert it, and make it their own.

We must be careful what we listen to. Demonic doctrines are like a virus.
 
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Here’s the Bethel Church’s statement of faith. What do you disagree with in this?

What We Believe
There is only one true God who is the eternal King, Creator and Redeemer of all that is. He is perfectly holy, just, loving and truthful. He has revealed Himself to be eternally self-existent – one being in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

The Bible to be the inspired and only infallible and authoritative Word of God.

Humankind was created in the image of God to know and enjoy Him yet we willfully rejected the Lordship and glory of God for which we were intended. Because of this, sickness, death and judgment entered the world and now creation experiences the effects and consequences of sin.

The Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of God, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin, Mary, and is God's Anointed One, empowered by the Holy Spirit to inaugurate God's kingdom on earth. He was crucified for our sins, died, was buried, resurrected and ascended into heaven, and is now alive today in the presence of God the Father and in His people. He is "true God" and "true man."



We are saved by God's grace, through faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ. Anyone can be restored to fellowship with God through repenting, believing and receiving Jesus as their Savior and Lord. The Holy Spirit, convicts, regenerates, justifies, and adopts us as we enter the kingdom of God as His sons and daughters.

In the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit, by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live holy and minister supernaturally. The baptism of the Holy Spirit according to Acts 1:4-8 and 2:4 is poured out on believers that they might have power to be witnesses.

The victorious redemptive work of Christ on the cross provides freedom from the power of the enemy – sin, lies, sickness and torment.

The Church consists of all who put their faith in Jesus Christ. He gave His church the ordinances of baptism and communion. The Church exists to carry on the ministry of Jesus Christ and further advance His kingdom by undoing the works of the enemy, preaching and living the good news of God's love, and discipling the nations – baptizing and teaching them to love and obey God.

In the ever-increasing government of God and in the Blessed Hope, which is the glorious visible return of our Lord Jesus Christ for His overcoming bride – His church. Heaven and hell are real places. There will be a resurrection of the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting death


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