The date of great tribulation

[shilohsfoal]

That happens AFTER the Tribulation when Jesus comes as glory as Judge.

This thread has nothing to do with a rapture Can you please stay on topic or make another thread ?

 

[shilohsfoal]

That chapter is not about the Roman's taking back Jerusalem and they controlled Jerusalem much longer than 42 months anyways. Matthew 24 speaks of Christians being targeted bu the one we commonly call the AC. His discourse ends with his own second coming and he states one generation would see all of the things he spoke of, from the starting events to the ending event known as the second coming. Since the second coming didn't happen in AD70, nor a Christian persecution, Ad70 is not compatible with the OD.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

False Christ's are warned about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you".

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

"Ye" are Christians.

So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

"Ye" is still the same people, Christians.


Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are Christians not Jews per the context of this passage.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.


Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.

Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


And here is the second coming. Again, nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.

I agree with most of what you said but the abomination that causes desolation affects Jerusalem according to the propbecy.Not the entire world.Jesus made sure his readers understand this by saying (in the holy place ) and that those in Judea will flee to the mountains.

No one in China is said to flee to the mountains.

But the topic is about those who flee in this thread.Some on this board have made the claim that believers are told to flee by Jesus.The problem with this is believers know and undertand the date the abomination of desolation is set up three and a half years before it happens.

What sense would it make for israels christians to wait till the last day to flee with the wicked people who do not undertand daniels prophecy?
Christians are told the exact day the great tribulation begins in Daniel three and a half years in advance.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is no such thing as a pre-trib or mid=trib rapture.

Have not other threads argued this ad nauseam? Yet you just state it as if it is an undisputed fact. Won't that derail this whole thread based on the OP's topic?

 

[JacksBratt]

That happens AFTER the Tribulation when Jesus comes as glory as Judge.

Pah..... lease. Stop, just stop.

 

[eleos1954]

Mathew 24 is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem. It occurred in 70 AD. If it were a prophecy of the end of the world it would do little good for anyone to flee from anywhere to anywhere.

Matthew 24 verses 1 & 2 prophesies the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem which happened in 70 CE.

Matthew 24 verses 3-51 are prophesies about the end times.

 

[JacksBratt]

Since the saints know and understand the date the abomination of desolation is set up about three and a half years before it is set up,why would any saint want to flee with all of the wicked people who have been caught off guard and that day has caught them unaware as those who were caught off guard by the flood?

Matthew 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination of desolation,' described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
Matthew 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matthew 24:17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house.
Matthew 24:18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
Matthew 24:19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers!
Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath.
Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

Using simple logic... As soon as the seven years of tribulation begin and the AntiChrist is revealed, then the date of the abomination that causes desolation would be apparent. It would be 3.5 years later.
This would also make the end of the tribulation apparent as well.. 7 years later.
The time of the beginning of the great tribulation is the unknown. After that, biblical prophesy would be pretty easy to follow as for times of the occurrence of events.

 

[Douggg]

Since the saints know and understand the date the abomination of desolation is set up about three and a half years before it is set up,why would any saint want to flee with all of the wicked people who have been caught off guard and that day has caught them unaware as those who were caught off guard by the flood?

Matthew 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination of desolation,' described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
Matthew 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matthew 24:17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house.
Matthew 24:18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
Matthew 24:19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers!
Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath.
Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

When the Antichrist betrays the Jews, by going into the forthcoming temple, sitting, claiming to be God, they will turn to Jesus at that time in the middle part of the seven years.

They will be mortified by the act, and it will all strike home in their hearts - what the two witnesses will have been warning them about every since they embraced the person thinking he is their messiah.

It will be a time of upmost turmoil. Some will grasp what is going on when the image is made of the beast, and flee right away. Others, will not get out of Jerusalem in time. And will exposed to persecution by the beast.

It is not on a single day, that all of the Jews turn to Jesus, but during that time of sudden turmoil and confusion, over maybe a month or so.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Using simple logic... As soon as the seven years of tribulation begin and the AntiChrist is revealed, then the date of the abomination that causes desolation would be apparent. It would be 3.5 years later.
This would also make the end of the tribulation apparent as well.. 7 years later.
The time of the beginning of the great tribulation is the unknown. After that, biblical prophesy would be pretty easy to follow as for times of the occurrence of events.

The exact date of the beginni,g of great tribulation is given to the saints three and a half years in advance.The exact date those in judea flee to the mountains.

 

[shilohsfoal]

When the Antichrist betrays the Jews, by going into the forthcoming temple, sitting, claiming to be God, they will turn to Jesus at that time in the middle part of the seven years.

They will be mortified by the act, and it will all strike home in their hearts - what the two witnesses will have been warning them about every since they embraced the person thinking he is their messiah.

It will be a time of upmost turmoil. Some will grasp what is going on when the image is made of the beast, and flee right away. Others, will not get out of Jerusalem in time. And will exposed to persecution by the beast.

It is not on a single day, that all of the Jews turn to Jesus, but during that time of sudden turmoil and confusion, over maybe a month or so.

Doug
The armed forces of the north are not going to use a statue to annihilate the beast in jerusalem.
We havemuch greater weapons tan a statue.Miitary comanders would laugh at your theology .

 

[Douggg]

Doug
The armed forces of the north are not going to use a statue to annihilate the beast in jerusalem.
We havemuch greater weapons tan a statue.Miitary comanders would laugh at your theology .

I have no idea of what you are talking about. You need to do a lot of clarifying.
Others can't read your mind.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I have no idea of what you are talking about. You need to do a lot of clarifying.
Others can't read your mind.

The armed forces who place the abominstion that causes desolation do not use statues to destroy thier enemies.

 

[Douggg]

The armed forces who place the abominstion that causes desolation do not use statues to destroy thier enemies.

Where are getting some "armed forces are going to place the AoD into place?

And what does the AoD have to do with the destruction of the beast?
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The army of the EU will occupy Jerusalem and Israel during that time. But it is not necessary for the army to place the statue image into the temple. Just some workers to physically move it into the temple complex or sanctuary building.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Mathew 24 is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem. It occurred in 70 AD. If it were a prophecy of the end of the world it would do little good for anyone to flee from anywhere to anywhere.

In LUKE the warning for the destruction of Jerusalem is much different 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The Christians in that day fled when Jerusalem was being surrounded and then the time of the Gentiles began. The text here says there is an end date to that text. if you are applying 70AD to the book of Rev and all that is a very difficult position to defend. Thes says the man of sin is revealed when he exalts himself as God in the temple. If this is Nero then why would Thess say this one is destroyed at the brightness of the LORD's coming. In Rev 13 we are told the mark of the beast would be enforced as well as the image of the beast rolled out for 42 months. In Dan the sacrifices are stopped in the middle of the week or with 42 months to go. Those who died by beheading for refusing the mark say they will live and reign with Jesus for 1000 years. The beast and false prophet are thrown into the fire but Satan is bound for 1000 years. The nations who were deceived will not be deceived again for 1000 years. If you look at world history seems deception of the nations has run uninterrupted all these years. This is all going to be future. The stage is setting up for it to play out right now.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Where are getting some "armed forces are going to place the AoD into place?

And what does the AoD have to do with the destruction of the beast?
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The army of the EU will occupy Jerusalem and Israel during that time. But it is not necessary for the army to place the statue image into the temple. Just some workers to physically move it into the temple complex or sanctuary building.

You did not know it is the armed forces who place the abomination of desolation?Have you never read about the abomination that causes desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel?

According to the prophet Daniel.The abomination that causes desolation is placed by the armed forces.You should spend some time reading on the subject.

Daniel 11:31 NIV: "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

And you should know. The armed forces who place the abomination that causes desolation is not equipped with statues.
Statues are not used by the armed forces to destroy its enemies.Trust me,I have relatives who are in the armed forces.They dont play games.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Where are getting some "armed forces are going to place the AoD into place?

And what does the AoD have to do with the destruction of the beast?
_____________________________________________________________

The army of the EU will occupy Jerusalem and Israel during that time. But it is not necessary for the army to place the statue image into the temple. Just some workers to physically move it into the temple complex or sanctuary building.

The EU was considered to be the revived Roman empire from the 70's and 80's with the formation of the rising super state. Back then everyone thought the US would fade and Europe would rise as the new global power. Reality is all the nations including EU are bankrupt. When we look at the seal judgments it is a denarius for a quart of wheat all over the earth. In looking into the NWO it appears that the EU is one of 10 global groupings of nations. They have similar formations of nations already planned in economic unions and I imagine the sum of these groups will end up being 10. The beast may well come out of the EU. Psalm 2 says why do the nations rage and the people imagine a vain thing. They have taken counsel together against the LORD and His anointed saying let us cast off their bonds from us. When you examine the UN structure for global government you can see who the architects are. People like Maurice Strong and Gorbachev and many others. The UN earth charter is placed in the UN building and is a new age replica of the ark of the covenant with the guiding principals for mankind in it. They even put rings and carried this thing in with poles as the new commandments to be over the nations. This kingdom at the end will be global and not a EU super state that we thought was coming.

 

[Douggg]

You did not know it is the armed forces who place the abomination of desolation?Have you never read about the abomination that causes desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel?

According to the prophet Daniel.The abomination that causes desolation is placed by the armed forces.You should spend some time reading on the subject.

Daniel 11:31 NIV: "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

And you should know. The armed forces who place the abomination that causes desolation is not equipped with statues.
Statues are not used by the armed forces to destroy its enemies.Trust me,I have relatives who are in the armed forces.They dont play games.

shilohsfoal, that is something that already has happened by Antiochus.

btw, I spent three years in the artillery, U.S. Army.

 

[Douggg]

The EU was considered to be the revived Roman empire from the 70's and 80's with the formation of the rising super state. Back then everyone thought the US would fade and Europe would rise as the new global power. Reality is all the nations including EU are bankrupt. When we look at the seal judgments it is a denarius for a quart of wheat all over the earth. In looking into the NWO it appears that the EU is one of 10 global groupings of nations. They have similar formations of nations already planned in economic unions and I imagine the sum of these groups will end up being 10. The beast may well come out of the EU. Psalm 2 says why do the nations rage and the people imagine a vain thing. They have taken counsel together against the LORD and His anointed saying let us cast off their bonds from us. When you examine the UN structure for global government you can see who the architects are. People like Maurice Strong and Gorbachev and many others. The UN earth charter is placed in the UN building and is a new age replica of the ark of the covenant with the guiding principals for mankind in it. They even put rings and carried this thing in with poles as the new commandments to be over the nations. This kingdom at the end will be global and not a EU super state that we thought was coming.

The U.N. is not in the news. The EU is. The EU parliament building looks like this... What could possibly be in their minds to come up with patterning after the tower of babel. It's crazy.

 

[shilohsfoal]

shilohsfoal, that is something that already has happened by Antiochus.

btw, I spent three years in the artillery, U.S. Army.

Not according to Jesus.
The pharisees taught it was Antiochus.Is that who taught you?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Since the saints know and understand the date the abomination of desolation is set up about three and a half years before it is set up,why would any saint want to flee with all of the wicked people who have been caught off guard and that day has caught them unaware as those who were caught off guard by the flood?

You may want to study other interpretations. What you are speaking of already took place in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. Your view is futurist. Look into the partial Preterist view, you may be surprised how clear things look from that perspective.
Blessings

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Modern/1971_woodrow_matthew-24.html

 

[Douggg]

Not according to Jesus.
The pharisees taught it was Antiochus.Is that who taught you?

The pharisees?