SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

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There is some God's Word that is not true? :scratch:
One thing I have learn't over time studying God's WORD is that everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures comes from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. In the days of JESUS and the disciples their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Together these are the two great witnesses that make up the word of God that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Depends on what your calling God's WORD. I am calling God's WORD those of the scripture God has seen fit to include in his WORD. I do not accept the Catholic bible as God's WORD.
 
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When did God put away for example Sirach? Because there is no text saying that in the wiki you posted.

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Martin Luther (1483–1546) moved seven Old-Testament books (Tobit, Judith, 1-2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch) into a section he called the Apocrypha.

But Martin Luther is not God. And he did not put it away from the bible, just from one section to another.
 
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When did God put away for example Sirach?

How do you explain the historical inaccuracies of the apocrypha, like Judith 1:1? (Notice that this isn't permalink on CF, because it doesn't recognize it as Scripture ;) )
 
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When did God put away for example Sirach? Because there is no text saying that in the wiki you posted.

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Martin Luther (1483–1546) moved seven Old-Testament books (Tobit, Judith, 1-2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch) into a section he called the Apocrypha.

But Martin Luther is not God. And he did not put it away from the bible, just from one section to another.

Didn't you post wiki to support something you were claiming earlier? True though wiki is not God's WORD. Sorry but I do not believe the Catholic bible is God's WORD or God's Church. I believe however that the RCC has many wonderful people however that are God's people living up to all the knowledge of God's WORD he has revealed to them. But God is calling all his people wherever they may be out from following man made traditions back to following the pure Word of God. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

God bless.
 
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Martin Luther (1483–1546) moved seven Old-Testament books (Tobit, Judith, 1-2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch) into a section he called the Apocrypha.

But Martin Luther is not God. And he did not put it away from the bible, just from one section to another.

Are they Old Testament, or intertestamental books?
 
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The danger of what you are trying to teach is that folks may miss entering the Sabbath Rest - the rest for believers to enjoy with Him our Father Creator who is resting on the seventh day of creation. read Hebrews 4...

This Sabbath Rest eclipses the seventh day rest you insist on.

If one is already at rest in Him there is no longer a need for a special day.

But if you want to observe it please do and enjoy it.

Your presentation essentially judges those who don't observe, and this is forbidden by Paul.

I repeat this scripture that warns against this.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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How do you explain the historical inaccuracies of the apocrypha, like Judith 1:1? (Notice that this isn't permalink on CF, because it doesn't recognize it as Scripture ;) )

Why should I explain historical inaccuracies in the Bible? Bible is a traditional text, not a scientific history.
 
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Why should I explain historical inaccuracies in the Bible? Bible is a traditional text, not a scientific history.

I'm just baffled, Jews don't believe the Hebrew Scriptures is a historical document, and now Roman Catholics? Are we Protestants the only ones maintaining the historical value of Scripture?? Of course, we don't view Judith as divinely inspired.
 
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If the Old testament ended with Christ, then they are Old Testament books... But you can call it intertestamental, I have no problem with it.

Well, the Old Testament ended with Malachi so...
 
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I'm just baffled, Jews don't believe the Hebrew Scriptures is a historical document, and now Roman Catholics? Are we Protestants the only ones maintaining the historical value of Scripture?? Of course, we don't view Judith as divinely inspired.

Inspiration is a very subjective thing, because the Holy Spirit can awake our hearts to various texts in the Bible and in the same time many texts of the Bible do nothing to us. I can be fruitful reading Sirach and fruitless reading Esther. Depends on our individual journey with God and in life.
 
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Inspiration is a very subjective thing, because the Holy Spirit can awake our hearts to various texts in the Bible and in the same time many texts of the Bible do nothing to us. I can be fruitful reading Sirach and fruitless reading Esther. Depends on our individual journey with God.

Divine inspiration is a subjective thing? Where did you get this from?
 
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The danger of what you are trying to teach is that folks may miss entering the Sabbath Rest - the rest for believers to enjoy with Him our Father Creator who is resting on the seventh day of creation. read Hebrews 4... This Sabbath Rest eclipses the seventh day rest you insist on. If one is already at rest in Him there is no longer a need for a special day. But if you want to observe it please do and enjoy it. Your presentation essentially judges those who don't observe, and this is forbidden by Paul.

Hello brother Carl nice to see you again. Let's discuss your post here brother. How can there be a danger of entering the Sabbath rest when the Sabbath rest is a day?

EXODUS 20:10 [10], BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD;

HEBREWS 3 and HEBREW 4 show that no one enters into God's SABBATH rest without believing and following God's WORD (the gospel rest). Happy to go thought the scriptures if you like brother?

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

NOTE
: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.

Hope this helps
 
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That's the Old Covenant. I'm talking about the Old Testament document.
I do not see it as separated. If there is still an old covenant era, documents given to people in that era are the old covenant documents...
 
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If there is no reader, inspiration of the text is fruitless. The Holy Spirit in the individual must respond to what is percieved.

"...knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:20-21
 
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