Is Heaven where we finally become invisible?

[Tone]

I ran a quick calculation that I thought you might find interesting, but if the avg persons body weight was suddenly releasing it's energy it would yield a 1700 megaton sized explosion like a super nuclear warhead.

So our bodies in heaven as a resurrected beings are filled with quite a large amount of stored pure energy.

What if it can be measurably proved that prayer releases some of that stored pure energy!?

 

[devin553344]

What if it can be measurably proved that prayer releases some of that stored pure energy!?

I'm sure in fact that it does, considering brain waves and such, but that would be in calories from your diet, and not from the particles of your body. The particles of energy that make up your body are very stable and would never release their energy. Their lifetime is pretty much infinite in the case of the stable atoms that make up the body. Nuclear releases are pretty difficult to produce as North Korea has found out, and they don't release the energy of the particles, they simply release some of the energy that binds the particles together (nuclei of radioactive atoms). Nuclear explosions don't actually destroy particles. And food simply works off of a lesser binding energy of chemical bonds

 

[Monk Brendan]

With material eyes?

Did not Adam and Eve see God before their fall with their material eyes?

 

[Tone]

I'm sure in fact that it does, considering brain waves and such, but that would be in calories from your diet, and not from the particles of your body. The particles of energy that make up your body are very stable and would never release their energy. Their lifetime is pretty much infinite in the case of the stable atoms that make up the body. Nuclear releases are pretty difficult to produce as North Korea has found out, and they don't release the energy of the particles, they simply release some of the energy that binds the particles together (nuclei of radioactive atoms). Nuclear explosions don't actually destroy particles. And food simply works off of a lesser binding energy of chemical bonds

So, do you believe that spirit has weight?

 

[Tone]

Did not Adam and Eve see God before their fall with their material eyes?

Hmmm, I'm not sure, do you have a Scripture reference?

 

[devin553344]

So, do you believe that spirit has weight?

Well I don't know if spirits could be measured in our dimension set. But I did find this: 21 grams experiment - Wikipedia

 

[timewerx]

God is nothing (no thing), which is why we can't see Him...He is invisible...

We can't even see heaven-His dwelling place.

So, when we are no longer visible...when we are no longer a "thing" to be pointed at...

Is it then, when we have arrived?


2 Corinthians 4:18
"So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

1 Timothy 1:17
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen."

1 Timothy 6:16
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

1 John 3:2
"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."

1 Corinthians 15:52-55
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal mustput on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"


And one more question:

Does the invisible die?

*I wanted to change the title to the below, but couldn't:
Is Heaven where/when we finally become invisible?

Invisibility 2000 years ago have a different meaning in the 21st century. Always pay attention to the context of the period.

2000 years ago, it simply means imperceptible to the human senses.

Whereas today, "invisibility" is synonymous to "undetectable" or "unresolvable". With the advanced technology of 21st century, we now realize that about everything that exist, including those that are "invisible" would be rendered visible with the right technology.

In Hebrews, the Ancients were commended by possessing knowledge / truth that the visible world is made up of things that are "invisible" (molecules, atoms, cells, etc). There are evidence that some Ancient civilizations on Earth did possess advanced knowledge of atoms.

Noting that molecules themselves are not absolutely invisible but can be resolved with the right technology.

Nothing that exists is absolutely invisible. I believe that God is visible. The irony is that we might have all seen God already, just too boxed up in the distractions of this world to even realize it.

 

[Devin Newsome]

We won’t be invisible in heaven.

We will have incorruptible immortal bodies.

 

[Tone]

Well I don't know if spirits could be measured in our dimension set. But I did find this: 21 grams experiment - Wikipedia

Well, if mass is pure energy, is energy pure mass? If so, I think everything would be weighty...right?

*So angels and demons have mass?

 

[Tone]

We won’t be invisible in heaven.

We will have incorruptible immortal bodies.

Do you think, those immortal bodies will be seen by corruptible ones?

 

[Tone]

Nothing that exists is absolutely invisible. I believe that God is visible. The irony is that we might have all seen God already, just too boxed up in the distractions of this world to even realize it.

I don't know if I would go so far as to say that He (the Father) is visible...not from this vantage point, but The Son has declared Him.

John 1:18
"No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”

 

[devin553344]

Well, if mass is pure energy, is energy pure mass? If so, I think everything would be weighty...right?

*So angels and demons have mass?

Well E=mc^2 indicates that mass has a lot of energy. But the gravitational curvature is pretty small. So no you won't weigh that much. I'm currently working on a theory that links the wave curvature to the gravitational curvature. And that might explain why we don't weigh that much. But it's just speculation at this point.

I think demons have mass of some type. Some type of energy sure.

 

[Devin Newsome]

Do you think, those immortal bodies will be seen by corruptible ones?

Moses and Elijah were seen by the Apostles at the transfiguration.

 

[Not David]

Do you think, those immortal bodies will be seen by corruptible ones?

There will be no corruptible body.

 

[Tone]

Moses and Elijah were seen by the Apostles at the transfiguration.

I don't think they were in their final form...not until:

Ephesians 1:9-10
"Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him..."

Aka the "Consummation".

 

[Tone]

There will be no corruptible body.

So the enemy won't see us!

 

[Devin Newsome]

I don't think they were in their final form...not until:

Ephesians 1:9-10
"Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him..."

Aka the "Consummation".

They may not have been in final form but they were visible. We will not be invisible when we receive our glorified bodies.

 

[Tone]

They may not have been in final form but they were visible. We will not be invisible when we receive our glorified bodies.

Colossians 1:16
"which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him."

Do you think that all that is invisible will, one day, be done away with, thereby making them manifest? Or will there always remain things that are seen and things that are unseen?

 

[Devin Newsome]

Colossians 1:16
"which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him."

Do you think that all that is invisible will, one day, be done away with, thereby making them manifest? Or will there always remain things that are seen and things that are unseen?

Just because something is unseen doesn’t mean that it is invisible.

 

[Tone]

Just because something is unseen doesn’t mean that it is invisible.

Here's the King James:

Colossians 1:16
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

So unseen and invisible are synonymous. How do you see it (pun intended)?