WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[ace of hearts]

I’m not sure what your point is.

I'm sure what his point is.

 

[ace of hearts]

Of course it is. The OP defines the topic of discussion. Many here are only trying to discuss everything else except the OP because they cannot respond to it

Then why are you crying about lack of response to post #1?

 

[JLB777]

Indeed so why do you ignore my questions in the OP and the posts provided to you that are only sent in love and as a help to you?

As I have said countless times, I agree.


I agree the seventh day is the Sabbath.

I agree we are to keep The Commandments.


What I have plainly asked you and what you have dodged answering is very simple.


Everyone in this thread is waiting for you to answer.

Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin cornering the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.


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I’m putting up a challenge for anyone to provide scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles specifically commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath as a holy day, as well as how to do it..​

JLB

 

[JLB777]

Why would JESUS need to re-command the Sabbath when God's people already had the Sabbath? Did Jesus re-issue any of God's 10 commandments? What about the first four commandments?

Because the Church today is not under the law of Moses.


Gentiles who did not live in the land of Israel were never under the law of Moses.


Here are some examples of Jesus explaining about the other commandments.

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. “Furthermore it has been said, Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. Matthew 5:21-32








What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?


Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath?

The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?


If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?




JLB

 

[Natsumi Lam]

You were talking about God's 4th commandment which God has revealed to mankind as one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin when broken in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT scriptures saying..

God has already revealed this to mankind through His WORD. As I said earlier where does it say that God's Spirit is not confined to God's WORD when it is the Spirit of the WORD of God *JOHN 6:63? If God has revealed to us his will through His Word does he change his mind through His Spirit? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe God or man? I know who I BELIEVE how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

God bless

Apparently there is a difference of opinion with many in this forum because ...if my memory serves me correct..i believed you have opened this topic up many times before. So the answer still is unknown from a conflict perspective..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The word "sabbatismos" isn't a reference to the sabbath. The context of the chapter is rest.

Of course it is. It means Sabbath keeping or to keep Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My post isn't a repeat.

Sure it is, It is a repeat of a question already asked and addressed here click me

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you putting us on here? Your issue is the day of worship.

Not at all. Did you read the post you were quoting from? If you did does it say what you are claiming? Nope

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Apparently there is a difference of opinion with many in this forum because ...if my memory serves me correct..i believed you have opened this topic up many times before. So the answer still is unknown from a conflict perspective..

The answer is only unknown because there is no answer as there is no scripture that answers a single question in the OP.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where is the law called the Gospel? The Gospel was preached even to Adam - Gen 3:15. The law was added much later, in fact 430 years after Abraham.

What in your view is the Gospel? You cannot answer this question can you. If you can I look forward to your answer.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Love your question.

You mix up God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11 with the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law from the OLD COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You need the polluted Aramaic to make your point. It's against all other manuscripts/versions.

Nope not at all. Most version make the same point agreeing with the Syriac and Greek manuscripts.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” which is the VERB of SABBATH which is the descriptive noun. Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” which is the verb for doing. When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

Which ever version you wish to use it does not really matter as it points to the same outcome which is there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. The CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH from creation that GOd BLESSED, set apart and made HOLY *HEBREWS 4:1-5

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Personally I don't think you understand your reference here.

Please go ahead and explain what it means? I have only provided God's WORD. They are God's WORD not my words. You provide your own words that are not Gods WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Speaking within 'your gates' that means that all the city must do the sabbath? i mean we are in a place and other people or strangers within the city, so we must force all people to do it!!! its in the bible you know...

Or this is a commandment for the israelites only..

Nope it does not. It means those that are within your household.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

More of them than you accept as truth including words of Jesus.

Your post makes no sense here what do you mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You really don't know what Jesus did for us?

Indeed I do. How about you? Do you know what God expects of you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I have said countless times, I agree. I agree the seventh day is the Sabbath. I agree we are to keep The Commandments. What I have plainly asked you and what you have dodged answering is very simple. Everyone in this thread is waiting for you to answer. Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin cornering the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.

If you agree that God's 4th commandment has never been abolished and we are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and we are to keep God's 10 commandments then do you keep them?

I’m putting up a challenge for anyone to provide scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles specifically commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath as a holy day, as well as how to do it..JLB

Already answered. Your only repeating yourself here brother. Please see post # 1879 linked which directly answers your challenge with God's WORD. What is your argument if you believe that we are to keep the 10 commandments? It seems like contradicting yourself with your statements.

Look forward to your clarification.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Why would JESUS need to re-command the Sabbath when God's people already had the Sabbath? Did Jesus re-issue any of God's 10 commandments? What about the first four commandments?

Your response was...

Because the Church today is not under the law of Moses.

Few points with scripture support here...

We are not under the SHADOW laws of MOSES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVANANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7. These were SHADOWS of things to come *COLOSSIANS 2:17; HEBREWS 10:1-8. God's ETERNAL LAW however is God's LAW that in the OLD AND NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 in the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us the knowledge of what SIN is in the NEW COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to?

Gentiles who did not live in the land of Israel were never under the law of Moses.

We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *JOHN 3:15-21. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27. It sounds like your trying to argue against God's 10 commandments again that you said in another post that Christians are to follow? Have you changed your mind? Sounds like you are contradicting yourself brother. Did you wish you explain yourself and clarify your position so there is no misunderstandings? Or are you teaching God's 4th commandments is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If so where is your scriptures?

Here are some examples of Jesus explaining about the other commandments. “You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny. “You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. “Furthermore it has been said, Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. Matthew 5:21-32

Indeed. How does this answer the question in the post you are quoting from? JESUS is not re-commanding God's 10 commandment he is showing that the application of them is to the inside out. He is magnifying the law in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. Now JESUS did not re-command any of God's 10 commandments he simply taught about what was already given to God's people 4000 years earlier *EXODUS 20:1-17. Why would JESUS need to re-command God's 10 commandments when God's people already had them for 1000's of years. Yout argument makes no sense. Where does JESUS re-command the first 4 commandments which are our duty of love to God?

What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any one of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

Did JESUS and the APOSTLES and God's people travel to Church on the Sabbath? What does God's 4th commandment say *EXODUS 20:8-11

Can we cook on the Sabbath? Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath?

Nope.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Preparation day (6th day of the week)

EXODUS 16:22-23 [22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

Doing God's WORK and doing GOOD on the SABBATH is not doing our own work *MATTHEW 12:1-12. God's 4th commandments states it is unlawful to do our own work. This includes all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with uneccessary work (Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16:22-23; Matthew 21:13).

If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?

Why? Is doing Good on the Sabbath a sin? Nope *MATTHEW 12:1-12

If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin? JLB

We should worship God everyday as did the disciples *ACTS 2:46-47. The issue is over sin and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. *ROMANS 3:20. What does God's 4th commandment say?

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Did you set aside the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH for GOD and did you keep it Holy? You have the answers to your questions. How about you now answer mine?

Hope this helps.

 

[Hammster]

Who says our dept has not been nailed to the cross? What are you No no NOING about brother ? What is the Gospel according to God's WORD?

Did you read the post and the scriptures posted to you? It seems you have not read my post to you have you. If you disagree with the scriptures posted then show why. So far your only speaking your own words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

According to God's WORD all those who have CONFESSED and REPENTED from their SIN have been FORGIVEN their SINS *1 JOHN 1:9; ROMANS 8:1-4. It is only those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN who have not been forgiven their sins *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12

Now where are your scriptures? If you have no scriptures why do you not believe the scriptures posted from God's WORD?

It’s very difficult to have a discussion with someone when they carpet bomb threads with pet verses and no context. How do suppose someone is should respond to 17 references pasted together? Especially when you just assume the meaning? And assume they are related? It’s a cheap way of trying to assert victory. “Look, I have lots of verses.”

If you want to discuss, I’ll discuss. But I’m not going to do all of the work of posting each reference in context, try to guess why you used it, and then formulate a response. Pick one or two, explain why you think they are significant to the discussion, and we can go from there.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It’s very difficult to have a discussion with someone when they carpet bomb threads with pet verses and no context.

Is this your way of saying you do not know how to answer any questions in this OP? Please let's discuss your claims and bring everything to the light of Gods WORD because if I am in error brother from anything I have posted. Do you not have a duty of love to restore such a one? Let's have a discussion. What is it that you claim I have posted and taken out of CONTEXT? If you cannot prove your claims then why make statements and claims that have basis in truth? You have only been provided God's WORD. You in response post your own words. Your words are not God's WORD.

How do suppose someone is should respond to 17 references pasted together? Especially when you just assume the meaning? And assume they are related? It’s a cheap way of trying to assert victory. “Look, I have lots of verses.”

That is not the way I see it at all and it is not the reason why I post God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words they are God's WORD. It is JESUS that says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow then; God or men? I know who I believe and follow how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. For me, I only post God's WORD because he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day.

If you want to discuss, I’ll discuss. But I’m not going to do all of the work of posting each reference in context, try to guess why you used it, and then formulate a response. Pick one or two, explain why you think they are significant to the discussion, and we can go from there.

Please go ahead perhaps you can start by proving I am taking God's WORD out of CONTEXT? If you cannot. You should at the least apologise. Thanks for sharing.

God bless