WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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God's WORD. If you show you the scriptures will you believe them?
I call the NT the Scripture and wonder why you refuse to accept its words.
Nope. gentile believers are not obligated to circumcision. No christian JEW or Gentile are free to sin and break any one of God's 10 commandments. God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS do not teach lawlessness.
Then Gentile believers can't partake of the covenant given only to Israel (Deut 5:3) which includes the sign of the covenant. Ex 12:48; 31:13, 17
Once again you supply your own words over God's WORD. My words are not my own words but God's WORD. Your argument is with God not me. I know who I believe and follow *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.
Beg your pardon. What I said is about the misuse of Scripture.
You have only been supplied with NEW TESTAMENT scripture. It is God's WORD not mine.
It is JESUS that says in the NEW COVENANT all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.
Look I know we disagree, but that's no reason to misuse the Scripture.
What are you talking about? According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
No doubt. The law has done its job and led us to Jesus and has no further use for the Christian -

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The law is still of value for the wicked -

1 Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
You can quit falsely accusing me of sin because the famous 10 has no jurisdiction over Christians.
It is JESUS that says in the NEW COVENANT all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.
Yes Jesus is talking to Jews under the old covenant about disregard for the law. Do you understand why? Isn't it because they actually violate the law and denounce Jesus.
Now where is the scripture in the NEW COVENANT that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do many not believe God’s WORD in order to follow their traditions? Something to think about.
Here you're implying it's a sin to worship on Sunday. Christians don't apply the rules of the sabbath to Sunday as their behavior fully demonstrates. Words are misused providing an opportunity for your unfounded argument against Christians.
God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
Yes we do hear His voice.
 
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Where’s the gospel in your thread(s)? I see lots of law, but no gospel.

Well that is not true brother. What is the gospel? What is the topic of the OP? How can you have a gospel without LAW? What does JESUS save us from? There is no gospel if there is not law because without God's law there is no knowledge of what sin is. Did you wish to answer any of the questions in the OP?
 
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Ignoring my question will not make it go away.
Indeed so why do you ignore my questions in the OP and the posts provided to you that are only sent in love and as a help to you?
You have never shown where Jesus ever commanded to observe the Sabbath as a holy day.
Why would JESUS need to re-command the Sabbath when God's people already had the Sabbath? Did Jesus re-issue any of God's 10 commandments? What about the first four commandments?
Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.
Already have you do not want to read them *EXODUS 20:8-11 (see also post # 1878 linked)
Perhaps you read them but did not understand them :). What did those scriptures mean to you?
Nothing in the fourth Commandment about going to Church on Sunday. JLB
Why does there need to be?
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15. Do you keep this Sabbath law?
We are in the NEW COVENANT now. Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken not just God's 4th commandment *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do so many not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
 
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That is not what Hebrews 4:9 states according to the Greek Manuscripts! Hebrews 4:9 states: "So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God."
Your only making smoke screens. It is the correct translation from the original Aramaic manuscripts.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” which is the VERB of SABBATH which is the descriptive noun. Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” which is the verb for doing. When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

Which ever version you wish to use it does not really matter as it points to the same outcome which is there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. The CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH from creation that GOd BLESSED, set apart and made HOLY *HEBREWS 4:1-5
And, the Truth, the Word, Jesus Christ, God said (Matthew 11:28):"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest."
HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.
The Truth is clear, Jesus Christ is the rest of we believers in the New Covenant:
No one has any rest in Christ while committing known unrepentant sin *ISAIAH 57:20 just like those in the wilderness that sinned and did not believe and follow God's WORD *HEBREWS 3:6-19
"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) Old Covenant keeprs are bound to the Law, God's Word commands not to make a likeness, period. The sentence in Verse 4 is complete. God's Word commands not to worship "them" which can be either "gods" from Verse 2 and/or "idol"s from Verse 4, yet neither Verse 2 nor Verse 4 grammatically depends on Verse 5; therefore, "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread) in which a drivers license or some such with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct. This is proven out further by the "Grammatical Explanation of Exodus 20:2-6 Post for the Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread).
Brother your just repeating yourself here. This has already been addressed with scripture in another post that you did not respond to or you ignored, showing your errors of interpretation. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Post # 1588 shows the CONTEXT you leave out of the interpretation of the scriptures linked

Please feel free to respond to this post if you disagree.
There is no need for a "challenge" about other gods because the Lord Jesus makes it clear there is only room for the One True God! The Truth commands (Matthew 22:37-40):

"'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments rests the whole Law and the Prophets."
So, the Truth commands "LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART"; therefore, a heart saturated with the love of God has no room for other gods nor idols nor vain usage of His Name nor worshipping falsehood.
Soo your point here is about.......????
Now, about keeping the Old Covenant 7th day sabbath, or more appropriately not needing to keep the 7th day sabbath of the Old Covenant, God's Word in The Lord Jesus Commands and Defends Work by People on the Old Covenant Sabbath Post is quite clear that we believers in the New Covenant are not bound to keep the 7th day sabbath as recorded in the Old Covenant. We believers in the New Covenant have our rest in the Lord Jesus Christ. Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ!
We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Accoding to God's WORD, no one is a NEW COVENANT BELIEVER while knowingly breaking any one of God's 10 commandments. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT those who say they know God while breaking any one of God's 10 commandments has neither seen God or knows God *1 JOHN 2:3-4
Either your bible or your words try to change the meaning of scripture with your very first quote in your post. Trying to alter scripture is the attempted corruption of scripture, and this goes right back to "God's Word Disagrees With Your Use Of The Word 'Love' As Well As Your Acts Of Adding To And Subtracting From Scripture Post" (in this thread) and "Follow-up about God's Word Disagrees With You Post".
This has already been addressed with scripture in another post that you did not respond to or you ignored, showing your errors of interpretation. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Post # 616 shows the context you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures here
Listen to Truth: "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations About the New Covenant Post" (in this thread) "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17) "For the Law, since it has [only] a shadow of the good things to come [and] not the very form of things" (Hebrews 10:1) "And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'" (Luke 22:20) "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)
This has already been addressed with scripture in another post that you did not respond to or you ignored, showing your errors of interpretation. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Please see the following posts which have already responded to your post that you have ignored;

Post # 818 shows the CONTEXT you leave out of Matt 5:17 linked.
Post # 1682 shows the CONTEXT you leave out of HEBREWS 10:1 linked.

Did you have anything to share in relation to the OP here?
 
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Well that is not true brother. What is the gospel? What is the topic of the OP? How can you have a gospel without LAW? What does JESUS save us from? There is no gospel if there is not law because without God's law there is no knowledge of what sin is. Did you wish to answer any of the questions in the OP?
I addressed your OP. If you didn’t want to talk about it, you shouldn’t have posted it.

So where’s the gospel in your posts? All I see is law.
 
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I addressed your OP. If you didn’t want to talk about it, you shouldn’t have posted it. So where’s the gospel in your posts? All I see is law.

Nope. No you didn't. Did you read the OP? If you did what did the op say and how did you address it and where did you address it? Maybe I missed it. You do not have to answer my questions in the previous post and the OP if you do not wish to it's up to you just say so. They will be something for you to think about and pray about though I am sure.

The GOSPEL is JESUS and JESUS is the WORD of God. The WORD of GOD is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it *JOHN 1:1-4; 14; MATTHEW 4:4.

There is no GRACE without law the same as there is no Gospel without law because it is law that leads to God's GRACE and God's gift of JESUS (the WORD of God) where we can receive forgiveness for our sins through faith *ROMANS 5:1.

Without God's LAW there is no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no knowledge of what sin is you have no need of a Saviour. If you have no need of a Saviour then you have no salvation. If you have no salvation then you are lost because you are still in your sins because you have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

This is an interesting scripture here.....

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

What do you think these scriptures means?

Hope this helps
 
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Nope. No you didn't. Did you read the OP? If you did what did the op say and how did you address it and where did you address it? Maybe I missed it. You do not have to answer my questions in the previous post and the OP if you do not wish to it's up to you just say so. They will be something for you to think about and pray about though I am sure.

The GOSPEL is JESUS and JESUS is the WORD of God. The WORD of GOD is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it *JOHN 1:1-4; 14; MATTHEW 4:4.

There is no GRACE without law the same as there is no Gospel without law because it is law that leads to God's GRACE and God's gift of JESUS (the WORD of God) where we can receive forgiveness for our sins through faith.

Without God's LAW there is no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no knowledge of what sin is you have no need of a Saviour. If you have no need of a Saviour then you have no salvation. If you have no salvation then you are lost because you are still in your sins because you have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

This is an interesting scripture here.....

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

What do you think these scriptures means?

Hope this helps
You keep mentioning the gospel, but where is it? I’m not denying the importance of the law. But when every thread is, in essence, “do, do, do”, then there’s no gospel.
 
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You keep mentioning the gospel, but where is it? I’m not denying the importance of the law. But when every thread is, in essence, “do, do, do”, then there’s no gospel.

It has never been about do do do. It is about SIN and God's eternal LAW that gives us the knowledge of what SIN is to lead us to Christ that we might be justified (FORGIVEN) through FAITH. According to God's WORD (the Gospel) all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through faith that works by love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God bless
 
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It has never been about do do do. It is about SIN and God's eternal LAW that gives us the knowledge of what SIN is to lead us to Christ that we might be justified (FORGIVEN) through FAITH. According to God's WORD (the Gospel). According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God bless
More law, no gospel.
 
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More law, no gospel.
The GOSPEL is JESUS and JESUS is the WORD of God. The WORD of GOD is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it *JOHN 1:1-4; 14; MATTHEW 4:4. As posted through the scriptures earlier there is no GRACE without law the same as there is no Gospel without law because it is law that leads to God's GRACE and God's gift of JESUS (the WORD of God) where we can receive forgiveness for our sins through faith *ROMANS 5:1. Without God's LAW there is no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no knowledge of what sin is you have no need of a Saviour. If you have no need of a Saviour then you have no salvation. If you have no salvation then you are lost because you are still in your sins because you have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. If you have no knowledge of what sin is how will you know you have a need of a Saviour *MATTHEW 9:12-13?

Now did you wish to address anything in the OP here :)?
 
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The GOSPEL is JESUS and JESUS is the WORD of God. The WORD of GOD is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it *JOHN 1:1-4; 14; MATTHEW 4:4. As posted through the scriptures earlier there is no GRACE without law the same as there is no Gospel without law because it is law that leads to God's GRACE and God's gift of JESUS (the WORD of God) where we can receive forgiveness for our sins through faith *ROMANS 5:1. Without God's LAW there is no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. If you have no knowledge of what sin is you have no need of a Saviour. If you have no need of a Saviour then you have no salvation. If you have no salvation then you are lost because you are still in your sins because you have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. If you have no knowledge of what sin is how will you know you have a need of a Saviour *MATTHEW 9:12-13?

Now did you wish to address anything in the OP here :)?
All you are talking about is law, law, law. Do this, do this, do this.

No gospel.
 
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All you are talking about is law, law, law. Do this, do this, do this. No gospel.

Well that is not true. Nope. No I am not. You are not reading my post and the scriptures in them. If you disagree with anything I have posted please respond to the post and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. If you cannot why have a disagreement for the sake of having a disagreement? What is the gospel in your view and what leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith? Also did you wish to address anything here in the OP?
 
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Well that is not true. Nope. No I am not. You are not reading my post and the scriptures in them. What is the gospel in your view?
Simply, that Christ has done for us what we could not possibly do for ourselves.
 
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All you are talking about is law, law, law. Do this, do this, do this.

No gospel.

Well that is not true brother. Are you able to respond to the posts and the scriptures in them or the questions asked of you that disagree with you here? You do not have to if you do not wish to or if you cannot. Maybe you can pray about it further at home. Did you wish to share anything here in relation to the OP?
 
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Well that is not true brother. Are you able to respond to the posts and the scriptures in them or the questions asked of you that disagree with you here? Did you wish to address anything in the OP?
It is true, and as long as you deny it, you will live with a constant burden, and will you burden others who believe you. That’s not grace. That’s not the gospel
 
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It is true, and as long as you deny it, you will live with a constant burden, and will you burden others who believe you. That’s not grace. That’s not the gospel
I have no burden because I am free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16. I guess your not able to answer any of the questions asked of you here are you.
 
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And what did Christ do for us? What is the gospel in your view?
He lived the perfect life for us. He fulfilled the law for us. He took the penalty for our sin.
 
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He lived the perfect life for us. He fulfilled the law for us. He took the penalty for our sin.
Does that mean that we are now free to sin because JESUS died on the cross for our sins? This is a part of the Gospel but is it all of the Gospel? What is the Gospel according to God's WORD? Do you know the scriptures?
 
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I have no burden because I am free to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16. I guess your not able to answer any of the questions asked of you here are you.
What happens when you fail?
 
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