You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

[BCsenior]

I have even asked on multiple occasions for him to clarify his position, so I would not be left to assume.

Does post #200 clarify anything at all?

P.S. Nothing is clarified for those who refuse
to accept the Truths presented in the NT.
Most church-goers today either ignore or reject
MANY of the spiritual Truths presented in the NT.

God's prophets and watchmen, and those who have
been to hell and back, warn that many believers
(including pastors) are suffering in hell today.

Salvation is a process with the end result being
determined after a BAC comes to the end of life.

 

[Neogaia777]

You guys might find this thread useful maybe:

Is anything required on our part, anything at all...? Or not...?

God Bless!

 

[BCsenior]

The life we live will prove whether or not we “loved” God.
That is why we will all stand before God & be individually judged.

It appears that you have some spiritual insight
as to what the spiritual Truth is about salvation.

 

[BCsenior]

You guys might find this thread useful maybe:
Is anything required on our part, anything at all...? Or not...?

Personally, I do not need anyone else's take on topics
such as this ... I simply take God's word as the Truth.
The precious Holy Spirit reveals spiritual Truth
to those BACs who are OPEN and EAGER for it, and
to those BACs who are NOT brain-washed with error.

 

[Neogaia777]

Personally, I do not need anyone else's take on topics
such as this ... I simply take God's word as the Truth.
The precious Holy Spirit reveals spiritual Truth
to those BACs who are OPEN and EAGER for it, and
to those BACs who are NOT brain-washed with error.

No offense, but that is a very narrow and closed minded (and ignorant) point of view to have... Which means your also probably very critical and judgmental and condemning of others as well, and from a very narrow and closed minded and ignorant point of view... Well...?

It's all reflected in what you just said (above) as well... "Not needing anyone else's takes on anything", or anything like this, "Those not brain-washed with error", ect...

I'm guessing your of the "law" and works of the law crowd, right...?

Jesus sacrifice means nothing to you, ect...

We can learn a lot from each other, and/but you do not see that...? Sad, really...

God Bless!

 

[BCsenior]

No offense, but that is a very narrow and closed minded (and ignorant) point of view to have...

Yes, it's true ... you are an apprentice.
Ever hear of the narrow path/road to salvation
(Matthew 7:13) and few there be who find it?
Perhaps, you prefer the broad path/road to hell?

 

[Neogaia777]

To everyone else:

"Beware the man (men) who claims to have the whole and sole take on "The Truth" or "All Truth" or "The Whole Truth"...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, it's true ... you are an apprentice.
Ever hear of the narrow path/road to salvation
(Matthew 7:13) and few there be who find it?
Perhaps, you prefer the broad path/road to hell?

You have not found it yet, or even know what it is, if you are still of and are depending upon your own works, or works of the law...

I am very familiar with the "narrow path" BTW, and I know for certain your not on it...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" right...?

I think He also meant: The Way is the Truth and is the Life"...

If "the Way is the Truth and the Life", then, how do you expect to have or claim to have the Life (as a "true BAC"), when you do not even have you lenses or googles of Truth on...? And are not seeing by the Truth or through your glasses or lenses of Truth... you cannot see nor ever have the Life (in you) (as a true BAC), if you are not using your lenses of Truth to see...

You are looking or seeing with lenses of Truth so how can you have the Life...

If your of works of the law, you are not in and do not know (the) Truth and are not born again, period...

Without being open to and taking others takes or perspectives you will never know Truth...

I'll give you one clue though, K...? Truth is neutral and objective "most of the time", but not always in every situation and circumstance... It "listens" to others and takes in, or at the very least "considers for a moment" others perspectives or takes or points of view... But it is logical and reasonable, and tries to carefully weigh everything in the balance...

God Bless!

 

[LostMarbels]

Does post #200 clarify anything at all?

I have my own understanding. But someone such as yourself, should understand that lends to judgment and misinformation of anthers position that isn't clearly stated. It also brings confusion... and where is confusion from? This is a time for your yes to be a yes, and your no to be a no. Generalities and shades of meaning are not of God. Definitively state your position so we can discuss your belief as presented, instead of chasing perhaps, and maybe's.

P.S. Nothing is clarified for those who refuse
to accept the Truths presented in the NT.

Be warned before you bring yourself into condemnation. I accept Jesus the Christ as Lord. Do not fool yourself into believing you can judge my relationship with Christ, nor the truths I have been presented by him. If I am in error, show me my error and I will joyfully learn from you. But do not judge my contrary view as a hardness of heart, and unwillingness to accept truth.

And again, this statement I just made is based upon what is implied, because you have yet to truly state your purpose.

Most church-goers today either ignore or reject
MANY of the spiritual Truths presented in the NT.

I agree.

God's prophets and watchmen, and those who have been to hell and back, warn that many believers
(including pastors) are suffering in hell today.

I do not know where you are going with this. But I am a watchman. That is my calling.

Salvation is a process with the end result being
determined after a BAC comes to the end of life.

Salvation is finished. Already bought and paid for. Our walk with Christ is a process.

 

[BCsenior]

Salvation is finished.
Already bought and paid for.
Our walk with Christ is a process.

The NT Scriptures are very clear:
Salvation is a process.
Salvation was given when the Holy Spirit came in.
Our walk with Christ determines
whether we keep our salvation.

 

[LostMarbels]

The NT Scriptures are very clear:
Salvation is a process.

Salvation isn't for sale. Nor is it earned. It is already paid for. Our walk with Christ is the process.

Our walk with Christ determines
whether we keep our salvation.

Do you remember any mentioning in the bible about filthy rags? Even your good works are nothing but filthy rags. You have no ability to save your soul except by accepting Jesus. You have no ability to lose your soul except by denouncing Jesus.

Salvation was given when the Holy Spirit came in.

Oh no... no, no, no. Our savior is Jesus. The HS is our teacher. I do not know where your getting this.

 

[BCsenior]

Our savior is Jesus. The HS is our teacher. I do not know where your getting this.

It all started here with the 11 disciples ...
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me,
I am sending you.” Then He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” (John 20:21-22)

We consider that when believers receive the Holy Spirit INSIDE, they become born again (from above).
This is described in John 3:3.

Then for the rest of us ... It is the Holy Spirit
who baptizes new believers into the church
“For by one (Holy) Spirit we were all baptized into one body (Christ's church), whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:13)

 

[Saint Steven]

The life we live will prove whether or not we “loved” God.

That is why we will all stand before God & be individually judged.

Did you love God enough to be saved?

 

[Saint Steven]

This topic is NOT a thinly veiled attempt to guarantee
that salvation is a process ... it is a co-operative effort
between God and man!

So you agree that this topic is a thinly veiled attempt at salvation by works?
Okay, thanks.

 

[Saint Steven]

P.S. Nothing is clarified for those who refuse
to accept the Truths presented in the NT.
Most church-goers today either ignore or reject
MANY of the spiritual Truths presented in the NT.

"spiritual Truths", is that code for your personal interpretation?

 

[Dkh587]

Did you love God enough to be saved?

We are saved by God’s grace through our faith. God loved us first.

1 John 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

This doesn’t mean we can’t show love to God, for to love God means to obey His commandments.

1 John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

We are all going to be held accountable for our actions.

2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[LostMarbels]

It all started here with the 11 disciples ...
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me,
I am sending you.” Then He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” (John 20:21-22)

We consider that when believers receive the Holy Spirit INSIDE, they become born again (from above).
This is described in John 3:3.

Then for the rest of us ... It is the Holy Spirit
who baptizes new believers into the church
“For by one (Holy) Spirit we were all baptized into one body (Christ's church), whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:13)

Wow. I have never heard anything like this before. I don't even know how to respond. I know what comes to my mind upon reading this tho.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians.

 

[Saint Steven]

We are saved by God’s grace through our faith. God loved us first.

1 John 4:10


This doesn’t mean we can’t show love to God, for to love God means to obey His commandments.

1 John 5:3


We are all going to be held accountable for our actions.

1 Corinthians 5:10

Wow.
First you say we are under grace.
Then you say we are under law.
Then you say we will be judged by works.
These things are in conflict.

You are either under grace, or under the law. (which one?)
You are either under grace, or judged by works. (which one?)

 

[LostMarbels]

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Only thru Jesus, and only in his name can we be saved.