WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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That is the difference between what we are talking about brother. Scripture defines the scripture. You put your own interpretation on the scriptures. If you let the scriptures define and interpret themselves as shown in the example above it does not say what your teaching. Your trying to read into the scriptures something they are not saying.

I disagree, he is not talking about the occult there.
 
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Here we all are again still are after 91+ pages and seems no one is still able to supply a single scripture to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts... :)
 
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does the verse you quoted from exodus tell us to kill everybody who doesn’t keep the Sabbath? All it says is that they are to be put to death. Death penalties usually are accompanied by a trial, witnesses, sentencing etc.
What does the law say? Please list exceptions. The law always gets its due.
Adulterers are worthy of death. So are murderers & homosexuals. Do you think it’s okay to murder, commit adultery & be a homosexual? If not, do you go around killing everyone since their actions are worthy of death, according to God? If not, why?
If I say we're in the age of grace, you'll say then I permit and endorse those sins. That would be false. I can't explain God and His ways because they're most definitely above me and my understanding. Way to many people calling themselves Christians and our antagonists think God is supposed to make everything go their way. Those people haven't read the Scripture, much less believe it. People seem to think they can command God and bring Him down to our level.
Again, the burden is on you to prove that it’s no longer a sin, not on me to prove that it’s still a sin, so post the Scriptures where they said it’s no longer a sin.
Why do you pretend some one else said such a foolish thing? You think abstaining from those things is keeping the law. Why? on what basis? Don't you see the world around you? Many of your unbelieving neighbors don't do those things. Their reason and reference has zero to do with anything the Bible says. Some of them will tell you what do with your religion and Bible and for good reason.
Btw, Messiah and Apostles don’t have to quote every single commandment for certain actions to still be a sin. For example, where did the Messiah or Apostles quote the commandment about inappropriate behavior with animals? We have no record of them speaking against child sacrifice, either.
This is a foolish argument.
 
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God defines sin, not me. Disobeying God & not keeping the Sabbath holy is a sin, according to God.
Only for those subject to that covenant.
The instructions for the church are based on what God has already revealed to us through His law: cease from customary work & gather together. This is what Messiah & the Apostles did.

The burden is on you to prove that commandments are now null & void, and that disobedience to God is no longer a sin. You have to prove that the Messiah and Apostles created a new way of life in opposition to God’s commandments.
Not if you've read the Scripture or even this forum. We've met our obligation ad nauseum.
 
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As posted more then once brother I will be happy to continue answering your questions when you start asnwering mine and responding to the posts I provided to you. I have answered your first questions here and asked oyu questions in return. You have not answered a single question in the OP or any questions in the return post asked of you. A discussion goes two ways. It seems you are not interested in having a discussion here. Let me know when you wish you have a discussion and share God's WORD until then ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments ot God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
This is a non response dodging the truth.
 
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GALATIANS 4:8 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Let scripture interpret scripture. Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times.
Who are people who know the law. The whole of Galatians is about the law (all of it).
 
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Sadly your post has no truth in it and you are just repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and the scriptures provided to you that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures. The post you are referring to can be found in post #1655 linked here for all to see. In this post Gods WORD defines SIN as the transgression or the breaking of any one of God's 10 commandments *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11, SIN is the transgression of God's LAW.

Everytime the word SIN was used I added in brackets to show these were God's WORD that was added that DEFINE what SIN is according to the scriptures *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. These are God's WORD not my own words. You provide your own words which are not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I BELIEVE how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29

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Original from Post #1655 linked here

Not at all. You have only been provided God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words and it is the WORD of God that says anyone claiming to be from God and having God's Spirit while breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

and again...

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW

NOTE: JOHN is continuing his theme; that we sin not or do not break any of God's 10 Commandments

[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him SINS NOT [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever SINS [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him

NOTE: v6 links to what JOHN says in 1 JOHN 2:3-4. v4 HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES RIGHTOUESNESS IS RIGHTOUES, even as he is righteous.

NOTE: Righteousness is defined as not breaking God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172; ROMANS 2:13; 1 CORINTHIANS 7:19; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10

[8], He that COMMITS SIN [breaks God's 10 Commandments] is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT COMMIT (pratice) SIN [does not knowingly break God's 10 Commandments]; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: The born again believer does not practice known sin or does not knowingly break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the distinguishing point and shows who God's children are and the children of the devil. The children of God do not knowingly practice sin by breaking any one of God's 10 commandments. The Children of the devil practice sin or break any one of God's 10 Commandments. This also links back what JOHN says the the previous chapter in 1 JOHN 2:3-4

Now back to the OP, where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why pretend that there is?

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Only sent in love as a help to you :)
Wow !! Two long posts within a minute and what 6 long post in 8 minutes. You really had time to consider what you posted? You told me you're responding off the cuff. For a mere fisherman you're reading and office skills are extremely exceptional.
 
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This is a non response dodging the truth.

Not at all as posted earlier and more then once I am happy to continue answering questions when mine are answered and the posts and scriptures I have provided are responded to. I have answered yours and your friends questions here and asked questions in return. You have not answered and your friend have not answered a single question in the OP or any questions in the return post asked of you. A discussion goes two ways. It seems you are not interested in having a discussion here. Let me know when you wish you have a discussion and share God's WORD until then ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments ot God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
 
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Wow !! Two long posts within a minute and what 8 long post in 8 minutes. You really had time to consider what you posted?

Thankyou but posting is the easy part once the posts are written. I spent a lot of time on those posts. Just because I post them all together once they are completed does not mean I have not spend time on them. God is my help and he knows. Read them and you will see I am telling you the truth :)
 
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Who are people who know the law. The whole of Galatians is about the law (all of it).

GALATIANS 4:8-11 is in reference to those believers when they KNEW NOT GOD and were sering other gods that were not gods and were returning to their old life of sin.
 
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Not at all as posted earlier and more then once I am happy to continue answering questions when mine are answered and the posts and scriptures I have provided are responded to. I have answered yours and your friends questions here and asked questions in return. You have not answered and your friend have not answered a single question in the OP or any questions in the return post asked of you. A discussion goes two ways. It seems you are not interested in having a discussion here. Let me know when you wish you have a discussion and share God's WORD until then ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments ot God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
Which have been answered by me.
 
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GALATIANS 4:8-11 is in reference to those believers when they KNEW NOT GOD and were sering other gods that were not gods and were returning to their old life of sin.
There's a difference between knowing about God and knowing God. Jesus even called Jews sons of the devil.
 
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Which have been answered by me.

You have been given God's WORD. God's WORD not my words but God's WORD. In response you provide your own words. These are not God's WORD but your own words. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow? I know who I believe and follow how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
 
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There's a difference between knowing about God and knowing God. Jesus even called Jews sons of the devil.

Indeed. John talks about it here...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

and here..

1 JOHN 3:6-9
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Yep God's WORD is very clear on those who KNOWS God and those are who only say they do.

Don't you love the scriptures. They tell us eveything we need to know to have a closer walk with JESUS.

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)
 
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God defines sin, not me. Disobeying God & not keeping the Sabbath holy is a sin, according to God.

I know right brother? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. It is JESUS that says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. For some reason it seems like every time these scriptures are brought up, they are no longer God's Word. Something to think about. Thanks for sharing.

God bless
 
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GALATIANS 4:8-11 is in reference to those believers when they KNEW NOT GOD and were sering other gods that were not gods and were returning to their old life of sin.
Which includes Jews who Jesus said were sons of the devil. The letter to the Galatians isn't addressed to former pagan gentiles. They would have no interest in the law which is clearly the subject of Galatians.
 
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You have been given God's WORD. God's WORD not my words but God's WORD. In response you provide your own words. These are not God's WORD but your own words. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow? I know who I believe and follow how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?
What exactly do your references have to do with what you said?
 
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does the verse you quoted from exodus tell us to kill everybody who doesn’t keep the Sabbath? All it says is that they are to be put to death. Death penalties usually are accompanied by a trial, witnesses, sentencing etc.

Adulterers are worthy of death. So are murderers & homosexuals. Do you think it’s okay to murder, commit adultery & be a homosexual? If not, do you go around killing everyone since their actions are worthy of death, according to God? If not, why?

Again, the burden is on you to prove that it’s no longer a sin, not on me to prove that it’s still a sin, so post the Scriptures where they said it’s no longer a sin.

Btw, Messiah and Apostles don’t have to quote every single commandment for certain actions to still be a sin. For example, where did the Messiah or Apostles quote the commandment about inappropriate behavior with animals? We have no record of them speaking against child sacrifice, either.


You tell me.


Your the one pushing the Sabbath agenda.


90 plus pages and you still can’t identify for anyone what specifically constitutes sin cornering the Sabbath today, nor have you provided any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.





What is the point of this thread if you can’t explain to a person how to observe the Sabbath today, with the specific scriptures from Jesus and His Apostles?



JLB
 
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As posted more then once brother I will be happy to continue answering your questions when you start asnwering mine and responding to the posts I provided to you. I have answered your first questions here and asked oyu questions in return. You have not answered a single question in the OP or any questions in the return post asked of you. A discussion goes two ways. It seems you are not interested in having a discussion here. Let me know when you wish you have a discussion and share God's WORD until then ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments ot God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?


Please stop addressing me if your not going to answering a simple question.


Since you still can’t identify for anyone what specifically constitutes sin cornering the Sabbath today, nor have you provided any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.






What is the point of this thread if you can’t explain to a person how to observe the Sabbath today, with the specific scriptures from Jesus and His Apostles?





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