House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting

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Over staying a VISA, or entering the country illegally is ILLEGAL.

The former is only a civil matter, not a crime. The latter is a crime. This is one reason that more and more illegal aliens are coming in at ports of entry and just overstay their visas.
 
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The Anglo-Christian world is finished. We have been stabbed in the back by our own people and are being displaced in our own lands.

There's just one "Christian world" and it has every Christian in it, regardless of race or nationality. An "Anglo-Christian world" isn't Christian at all. And American was never an Anglo-Saxon enclave. A bit over half of our founders were English. And America isn't what you think it is:
English Americans - Wikipedia

Maybe the American people have it right and you have it wrong.
 
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It is not a crime to be in the United States illegally.
I'm not sure how you can say that when the very term "illegal" refers to the breaking of the law.

Notice all of the reference to "law" when talking about legality.

Then notice that the definition of "crime" is "lawbreaking".

Definition of legal
1 : of or relating to law She has many legal problems.

2a : deriving authority from or founded on law : de jure a legal government

b : having a formal status derived from law often without a basis in actual fact : titular a corporation is a legal but not a real person

c : established by law especially : statutory the legal test of mental capacity — K. C. Masteller

3 : conforming to or permitted by law or established rules The referee said it was a legal play. Fishing in this lake is legal.

4 : recognized or made effective by a court of law as distinguished from a court of equity

5 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the profession of law or of one of its members a bottle … that some legal friend had sent him— J. G. Cozzens

6 : created by the constructions of the law A legal fiction is something assumed in law to be a fact regardless of the truth of that assumption.

legal noun
Definition of legal
: one that conforms to rules or the law

Synonyms for crime
criminality, lawbreaking, lawlessness


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal#other-words
 
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I'm not sure how you can say that when the very term "illegal" refers to the breaking of the law.

Notice all of the reference to "law" when talking about legality.

Then notice that the definition of "crime" is "lawbreaking".

Definition of legal
1 : of or relating to law She has many legal problems.

2a : deriving authority from or founded on law : de jure a legal government

b : having a formal status derived from law often without a basis in actual fact : titular a corporation is a legal but not a real person

c : established by law especially : statutory the legal test of mental capacity — K. C. Masteller

3 : conforming to or permitted by law or established rules The referee said it was a legal play. Fishing in this lake is legal.

4 : recognized or made effective by a court of law as distinguished from a court of equity

5 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the profession of law or of one of its members a bottle … that some legal friend had sent him— J. G. Cozzens

6 : created by the constructions of the law A legal fiction is something assumed in law to be a fact regardless of the truth of that assumption.

legal noun
Definition of legal
: one that conforms to rules or the law

Synonyms for crime
criminality, lawbreaking, lawlessness
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.

Being in the country illegally is not technically a crime, it is a civil offense, like a parking ticket.
Is being in the United States unlawfully a 'crime'?

In legal terms, crimes are felonies and misdemeanors, not civil offenses.
Legal Definition of Crime: Everything You Need to Know

So, all criminal acts are illegal, but not everything illegal is criminal.

Semantics.
 
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Barbarian observes:
It is not a crime to be in the United States illegally.

I'm not sure how you can say that when the very term "illegal" refers to the breaking of the law.

People who break the law in the U.S. have committed either a criminal or civil violation depending on how the law defines it and how prosecutors choose to proceed.

Being in the U.S. without documentation is considered a civil matter, said Nancy Morawetz, professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law.

"Being present in the U.S., that status, is not a crime," Morawetz said.
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"Congress can decide what they want to make a crime and what they want to make a civil violation," Su said. "What they’ve decided is that immigration violations by themselves are civil violations."

The Supreme Court confirmed that decision in Arizona v. United States.


And for the United States, that settles it. You might argue that it should be a crime. But until the law changes, it isn't.

Entering the U.S. illegally is a crime. Coming in legally as a visitor, and then permanently residing here is not a crime.
 
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There's just one "Christian world" and it has every Christian in it, regardless of race or nationality. An "Anglo-Christian world" isn't Christian at all. And American was never an Anglo-Saxon enclave. A bit over half of our founders were English. And America isn't what you think it is:
English Americans - Wikipedia

Maybe the American people have it right and you have it wrong.
No, I have it right. Ethnicity and culture are very important. God created entire peoples. The Bible is all about different peoples. Even today it's understood and taken for granted...but if you're western, only then is it taboo. And that is a crappy double standard that I hate. I'm so sick of hearing about diversity and inclusiveness. I'm so sick of white guilt and being called a racist just because I refuse to apologize for things I cannot help. I'm so sick of political correctness. People don't get to come into my country making demands of me. We don't owe them anything. Now you can put up with it and even pathetically "celebrate" it, but I won't. I think it's tragically wrong and unfair and I am going to be vocal about it.
 
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No, I have it right. Ethnicity and culture are very important.

Not to God.
Acts 10:34 And Peter opening his mouth, said: In very deed I perceive, that God is not a respecter of persons. 35 But in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh justice, is acceptable to him.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.


God created entire peoples.

And, as you see, none of that matters to Him. For they are all in one in Jesus Christ. That's God's way. Let it be your way, too.

The Bible is all about different peoples. Even today it's understood and taken for granted...but if you're western, only then is it taboo.

No, that's wrong. One of the revelations Malcom X had, was going to Mecca. There he was surprised to see, Europeans, Asians, Africans, and others mingling freely. It's what made him break from the racist doctrines of Elijah Muhammad. So not everywhere. We've moved a long way from the times in which I grew up. There's some way to go, but it's encouraging that we've moved as far as we have.

And that is a crappy double standard that I hate.

Once you realize that race isn't even a real thing, but a cultural construct, there's no reason to even consider it. The Human Genome Project showed that there is more variation within any "race" you might define, than there is between "races."

I'm so sick of hearing about diversity and inclusiveness.

If you live in America, get used to Americans. If not, there's probably still some places where you can avoid people not like you.

I'm so sick of white guilt and being called a racist just because I refuse to apologize for things I cannot help.

Instead of feeling guilty for being white, just do what's right, in the here and now. And you'll have no need to feel that way.

I'm so sick of political correctness. People don't get to come into my country making demands of me. We don't owe them anything.

Actually, you do. They have the same rights you do, when they come here (which is what the founders intended) with the exception of voting.

Now you can put up with it and even pathetically "celebrate" it, but I won't.

Since America has many, many different cultures, that's what we are. Each one has strengthened and enriched America. I'm not unsympathetic to your feelings, but that's not what America is about.

I think it's tragically wrong and unfair and I am going to be vocal about it.

It's your right. There's no law against not being that way; there isn't a law against saying so. It only matters if you act on it.
 
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I've known at least since 2016 Democrat control meant open boarders, amnesty, chain migration and now voting rights. Democrats are simply courting Hispanic voters. I don't know why anyone would worry about it now, this isn't some ambush, Democrats have been announcing their intentions for several years now.
 
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This is not the kind of issue that will win Democrats Independent swing voters in 2020.
Which is exactly why Republicans pushed it. They had no intention on voting for the bill period, but they knew they could damage the Democrats by forcing them to vote down this amendment.
 
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Which is exactly why Republicans pushed it. They had no intention on voting for the bill period, but they knew they could damage the Democrats by forcing them to vote down this amendment.
Yet, the amendment was a straw man. Illegal immigrants are not voting.
 
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Not all non-citizens are here illegally. Some are legal residents.
And under the constitution they have no legal right to vote. But to the OP's point, the post refers to illegals.
 
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Yet, the amendment was a straw man. Illegal immigrants are not voting.

It turns out, in the last election, three more citizens illegally voted for Trump than illegal aliens voted for anyone.
 
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And under the constitution they have no legal right to vote. But to the OP's point, the post refers to illegals.

No, that's wrong. The Constitution does not prohibit non-citizens from voting. In 1966, federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, but each state or local government determines whether or not non-citizens can vote.
Right of foreigners to vote in the United States - Wikipedia
 
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House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice.

Wow. This is a pretty massive change. Whatever happened to the citizens being able to vote for elections in their country? I'm not sure of the number of illegal immigrants in hiding, but this could sway future elections to always nominate in the softest on immigration.
 
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And under the constitution they have no legal right to vote. But to the OP's point, the post refers to illegals.
The US Constitution doesn't say that they can't vote. The US Constitution left who qualified to vote up to the states. Later amendments gave guarantees to certain groups.
 
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