Israel is “not a state of all its citizens”

[Dave L]

You have no understanding of God's promises and covenants he's made and yet are Christian? That's disturbing. Wait, no it's not, it's common especially amongst Christians on here.


It clearly states in Genesis the land belongs to the people Israel forever. The Prophets talk about the land being redeemed over and over and the covenant God gave Israel being fully fulfilled at the Second Coming.

Regardless of what is said, you won't change your mind, so no point in continuing. Rest assured though you are wrong.

The church is Israel to whom the promises apply.

 

[CodyFaith]

Scripture?

Ezra 10:3, Ezra 10:44

Jewish tradition, has been this way for a long, long time. In support of this they reference these verses, saying had these had been Israelite children, they would not have been sent away but only their mothers. Israelites being commanded not to marry foreign wives.

 

[usexpat97]

Were it not for this Jewish tradition, would you not have taken these same verses to mean that BOTH your parents have to be Jewish in order for you to be Jewish?

What of the entire Matthew 1--where Matthew traced Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam on the FATHER's side--so as to show the Jews that Jesus was Jewish?

"Jewish tradition" is not in charge. God is.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

What of the entire Matthew 1--where Matthew traced Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam on the FATHER's side--so as to show the Jews that Jesus was Jewish?

Well, the Jews don’t care one bit about what Matthew says and Christians shouldn’t care about endless genealogies…

 

[usexpat97]

Well, the Jews don’t care one bit about what Matthew says and Christians shouldn’t care about endless genealogies…

Sometimes, as Paul said, you have to care simply by virtue of the fact that someone else cares.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm sure that was the sentiment among many WASP Christians during the early years of America when they started either mercilessly killing off or forcibly removing Native Americans from their tribal lands.

So any group that has a holy book that says they have a right to land can take it?

The very idea that something can be "taken" implies an understanding of "ownership". Ownership is, I would argue, fundamentally a legal term.

 

[Justified112]

You are supporting a racial and/or religious test for full rights in a country? That is disturbing.

Israel is a sovereign nation and like other sovereign nations, they have the right to decide who is or isn't citizen and they have the right to decide what kind of nation they will have. We do not have the right to tell Israel what their country must look like.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation for the Jewish people in response to the anti-Semitism that was and is still rampant in Europe. Anti-Semitism is the ONE socially acceptable form of racism and bigotry in the world, today. Israel is a nation that provides the Jews with their own country and a refuge from the typical European hatred of Jews that goes back to the Middle Ages.

And yes, anti-Israelism IS anti-Semitism.

 

[FireDragon76]

The Right in Israel is trying to collapse the dialectic between Israel's identity as a Jewish homeland, and it's liberal democracy. Sounds like Bibi has decided that liberal democracy can go. Too bad.

 

[FireDragon76]

He isn't wrong. That's the entire point of the state of Israel, to be a Jewish state, the only Jewish state in the world and to suggest that non Jews are Israelis would result destroy Israel as we know it.

Non-Jews have been Israelis since the beginning. There are Arabs and Druze that have Israeli citizenship. Till recently, Arabic was an official language of Israel.

 

[usexpat97]

And yes, anti-Israelism IS anti-Semitism

That's an awful lot of anti-semitic Old Testament prophets. Starting with Samuel, who said there should never even be an Israel in the first place. We've got Jeremiah: arrested and killed for pure anti-semitism. I wonder how that works?

 

[FireDragon76]

Netenyahu makes bedfellows with the Israeli equivalent of the Taliban. The Israeli Religious Right has a vision of Israel no different from them. In fact he has been criticized for his close relationship with groups that are the equivalent of fascists or racists, since they are opposed to basic civil liberties, such as the freedom to marry whomever one wishes.

 

[Steve Petersen]

The church is Israel to whom the promises apply.

Wrong.

Romans 11:25-29.

 

[Dave L]

Wrong.

Romans 11:25-29.

To whom are the broken off branches attached if they accept Christ? Themselves or Jesus?

 

[Steve Petersen]

"...the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE."

 

[Dave L]

"...the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE."

But they are yes only in Jesus.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900)

 

[Sparagmos]

Israel is a sovereign nation and like other sovereign nations, they have the right to decide who is or isn't citizen and they have the right to decide what kind of nation they will have. We do not have the right to tell Israel what their country must look like.

Israel was established as a Jewish nation for the Jewish people in response to the anti-Semitism that was and is still rampant in Europe. Anti-Semitism is the ONE socially acceptable form of racism and bigotry in the world, today. Israel is a nation that provides the Jews with their own country and a refuge from the typical European hatred of Jews that goes back to the Middle Ages.

And yes, anti-Israelism IS anti-Semitism.

Yeah, pretty disturbing. You think the land was just empty of people?

 

[Steve Petersen]

But they are yes only in Jesus.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900)

That is not the context of the Romans passage:

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel is ‘not a state of all its citizens’

Israel a “Jewish, democratic state” with equal rights, but “the nation state not of all its citizens but only of the Jewish people”.

I wonder how much of this is just him just trying to whip up a voting base for the upcoming elections? He's in a lot of political hot water from other unrelated issues and his opponents look pretty formidable. It looks to me like he's sloganeering in the hopes of whipping up votes.

 

[Dave L]

That is not the context of the Romans passage:

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

To whom are they grafted into if they accept Christ? Themselves, those who hate Christ with a passion? Or Jesus?

 

[anna ~ grace]

And that's how it should be... Israel is and will forever be (exclusively) the Jewish people's land. Even when they were exiled, it was still their land; land waiting for its rightful owners to return home.

Makes me glad when they stand for what is right.

What of the local Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians who are not ethnically Jewish?