Jesus has no DNA from Mary

[Alithis]

Ditto with yours.



No you didn't.
You said that Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit is proof that he was born with no human DNA. It isn't.
Conceived by means that the egg was fertilised by the Holy Spirit instead of by male sperm. Jesus was fully human and fully God; fully human means having human DNA.



I'm not.



How can someone be fully human with no human DNA?
Yes, Adam was, but he was the first man to ever be created. There is NO other person in Scripture who was made like Adam was.



He was created from DUST.
Thereafter, people were born through childbirth.



It doesn't need to - it's not a science textbook; it's not there to explain the facts of life.



And it DOESN'T say that - like the first Adam, he was made, fully formed, from the dust of the earth.
Implying that he was created in the same way as the first Adam, is assumption and reading into the text.

again you ADD what was not said.
I never said jesus was created at all.
He is the creator not the created.
He was already with God..he became flesh.

And No..i never said he was born with no human dna.
I said he was not born of marys dna
He is born of God... Not of flesh
He "became" flesh
Just as scripture states.

Your not quoting scripture your quoting rcc doctrine.
Big difference

 

[Alithis]

Babies grow inside their mothers by getting nutrients from them.

yes... Nutrients
Not dna

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Again, no point of us getting heat . There is no scriptural proof yet that I have seen as to His lack of human DNA.

I have not seen one iota of actual Biblical proof.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

yes... Nutrients
Not dna

Who's blood did the baby share to develope?

 

[Alithis]

Again, no point of us getting heat . There is no scriptural proof yet that I have seen as to His lack of human DNA.

You need to read more carfully
No one said he has no dna..is he not flesh and blood.
The point is he did not derive his flesh and blood from mary. Just as ADAM did not require a mother to be fully man
So JESUS also did not require a mother to be fully man.
Jesus was not created ..he was spirit and became flesh
His flesh as all flesh has dna.
Perfect dna . untainted by sinful flesh.

 

[Alithis]

Who's blood did the baby share to develope?

No ones. Blood of mother and baby never mix .
Basic biology that one.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

You need to read more carfully
No one said he has no dna..is he not flesh and blood.
The point is he did not derive his flesh and blood from mary. Just as ADAM did not require a mother to be fully man
So JESUS also did not require a mother to be fully man.
Jrsus was not created ..he was spirit and became flesh
His flesh as all flesh has dna.
Perfect dna . untainted by sinful flesh.

Please provide proof biblically. Or a theard post number.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No ones. Blood of mother and baby never mix .
Basic biology that one.

I got that. That is common sense since it is the placenta's job.

 

[Alithis]

Please provide proof biblically. Or a theard post number.

Already have.

Jesus the word of God
Became flesh... Read john ch 1.
He is Of the holy Ghost... You know the scripture already.

No one said he has no DNA.
Only that he did not derive his flesh and blood from mary and scripture never states he did.
Your trying to say he is of the holy Spirit And of the flesh of mary. Thats not in the bible..so show your proof.

 

[Strong in Him]

again you ADD what was not said.
I never said jesus was created at all.

I didn't say that you did say that Jesus was created.

The eternal word, the Son of God, second person of the Trinity is eternal and was with God in the beginning.
He became flesh and took on the nature of a man.
He was conceived, like other babies are conceived, and born - - he did NOT appear fully created.
The one, big, crucial difference between Jesus' conception and that of every other baby is that it was by the Holy Spirit.

Adam was never a baby. He was created, from dust; made as a fully grown man.

again you ADD what was not said.
And No..i never said he was born with no human dna.
I said he was not born of marys dna

He had some of Mary's DNA, to make him human - but he was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Your not quoting scripture your quoting rcc doctrine.

1. I'm not a Catholic so don't know Catholic doctrine.
2. Even the OP has admitted there is no Scripture that says that Jesus had no human DNA.

 

[Strong in Him]

You need to read more carfully
No one said he has no dna..is he not flesh and blood.
The point is he did not derive his flesh and blood from mary. Just as ADAM did not require a mother to be fully man
So JESUS also did not require a mother to be fully man.
Jesus was not created ..he was spirit and became flesh
His flesh as all flesh has dna.
Perfect dna . untainted by sinful flesh.

Exactly - all flesh, all humans, have DNA.
Jesus was fully human. If he didn't have Mary's DNA, whose did he have?
God CHOSE for his Son to be born, as babies are, from a woman.

Adam was CREATED as a grown man - he was never a baby who grew up.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Already have.

Jesus the word of God
Became flesh... Read john ch 1.
He is Of the holy Ghost... You know the scripture already.

No one said he has no DNA.
Only that he did not derive his flesh and blood from mary and scripture never states he did.
Your trying to say he is of the holy Spirit And of the flesh of mary. Thats not in the bible..so show your proof.

Its it said He is from the Holy Spirit because of associating the masculine sur name like Jesus bar Joseph?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Exactly - all flesh, all humans, have DNA.
Jesus was fully human. If he didn't have Mary's DNA, whose did he have?
God CHOSE for his Son to be born, as babies are, from a woman.

Adam was CREATED as a grown man - he was never a baby who grew up.

Yep

 

[Alithis]

I didn't say that you did say that Jesus was created.

The eternal word, the Son of God, second person of the Trinity is eternal and was with God in the beginning.
He became flesh and took on the nature of a man.
He was conceived, like other babies are conceived, and born - - he did NOT appear fully created.
The one, big, crucial difference between Jesus' conception and that of every other baby is that it was by the Holy Spirit.

Adam was never a baby. He was created, from dust; made as a fully grown man.



He had some of Mary's DNA, to make him human - but he was conceived by the Holy Spirit.



1. I'm not a Catholic so don't know Catholic doctrine.
2. Even the OP has admitted there is no Scripture that says that Jesus had no human DNA.

Iv never said jesus has no dna
I said he never required marys dna ..or egg..or flesh..or blood.. He required NOTHING from mary.
She merely carried him and bore him forth.
There is no need for her dna to make him fully man.
Man is created by God as fully man
Before woman existed.. Adam was fully man ,that is just the scriptural fact.

 

[Alithis]

Yep

not yup
Wo-man means -from man
Man came first.
A fact so blatantly being ignored .

 

[Alithis]

Its it said He is from the Holy Spirit because of associating the masculine sur name like Jesus bar Joseph?

Quote any such scripture that states that..
You cant there isnt one.
You also are quoting external doctrine.
Not scripture.

 

[Alithis]

Exactly - all flesh, all humans, have DNA.
Jesus was fully human. If he didn't have Mary's DNA, whose did he have?
God CHOSE for his Son to be born, as babies are, from a woman.

Adam was CREATED as a grown man - he was never a baby who grew up.

There is no scripture that states adam was created as a fully grown man .
Woman came from man .
JESUS tge wird of the creator needed no womans dna to make adam fully man
And he needed no womans dna to become fully man.

 

[Alithis]

So many are arging preferredred theory and ignoring what is plainly written or adding to what is plainly written . and why?
To defend the sinless lordship of JESUS?
No....
None of his lord ship is effected by him being of the holy spirit ..fully man without anything from mary and without sin.

So whats it defending?
All the preferrence is elevating a human woman and defending an rcc doctrine.
A doctrine that has no clear unambiguoius scripture .

 

[Norbert L]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

No ones. Blood of mother and baby never mix .
Basic biology that one.

Talking about basic biology, absolutely no one here has actual access to the DNA of Jesus and Mary. To say Jesus may not necessarily have his mother's DNA is one thing, to make a claim that is the truth can also turn out to be bearing false witness. In this case a false witness about Jesus and his mother.

When it comes to the expression, going out on a limb. Should a Christian go that far out on such a limb and make such a claim? I would say no. Romans 14:12

 

[Dave-W]

No ones. Blood of mother and baby never mix .
Basic biology that one.

Actually they do on occasion.

The placenta allows nutrients that the baby needs to pass from the mother to the baby. The placenta also lets waste that the child doesn't need go back through to the mother. But the placenta doesn't let blood or other cells from the mother or child pass through.

This means that in theory, no DNA gets through either, since DNA is inside of cells. For the most part, the surrogate mom's DNA stays on one side of the barrier and the baby's on the other.

So, blood, cells, and DNA don't pass directly between the mother and child. Just the important things inside the blood do.

Which is a good thing. If too many cells from the mother get inside the child, it could be dangerous for the child. A lot of cells from the child passing to the mother could be dangerous for the mother, too. This is why the placenta doesn't let many through.

A Hole in your Screen

Of course, nothing in life is completely perfect. And that includes the placenta.

Just like you'll sometimes find a pesky fly buzzing around your room, even with a screen on your window, sometimes cells can get through the placenta. This can happen in both directions – from the mother into the child, and from the child into the mother.

It is a bit more common for DNA from the child to get into the mother. But cells from the mother can get into the child too – carrying along the DNA of the mother.

At one time this was thought to be very rare. But, some recent studies have found a few cells from the mother pass into the child in around 40% of pregnancies.

Understanding Genetics