You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

[steadyone]

This statement is sad. "You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!" No! Salvation is free and through Christ you are saved. It is not based on what you do and what commands you keep. No one has to prove anything. Christ knows the heart. He knows if you are His or not. You were saved by grace through faith. You went from Slave Ship to Sonship. If you walk daily in Christ you would know Christ wants relationship after all that is what He created us for.

 

[Dave L]

Not at all. I know people who took a job, for example to have an income, decided to find good in it, and ended up loving it.

And these actors often married their counterpart when they didn’t need to do so.

The flesh cannot love. It only lusts. Unless born again a person cannot have true godly love from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Kenny'sID]

This statement is sad. "You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!" No! Salvation is free and through Christ you are saved. It is not based on what you do and what commands you keep. No one has to prove anything. Christ knows the heart. He knows if you are His or not. You were saved by grace through faith. You went from Slave Ship to Sonship. If you walk daily in Christ you would know Christ wants relationship after all that is what He created us for.

Do we have to do good in order to get to heaven?

 

[BCsenior]

Prove - to whom exactly?
God? The devil? Yourself?

The answer to your extremely deep question lies very
deep withing the crevasses of the 8 passages in the OP.
Perhaps it's too difficult for you to find?
If so, just ask, and we'll do our best to sort it out for you.

 

[BCsenior]

The Bible calls some men “righteous” and some seeking God so there’s a problem with your wide application. Some were called righteous and
some
were called seeking God.

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16)

Question:
Must one be righteous in the eyes of God to be saved?
(Not at the second of being born-again,
but throughout one's life as a BAC.)

Problem:
Our Laodicean churches today are not explaining
to the sheep who are righteous in the eyes of God.

Answer:
"Little children, let no one deceive you.
He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous ... In this the children of God
and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does NOT practice righteousness
is NOT of God, nor is he who does NOT love
his brother/sister." (1 John 3: 7, 10, NKJV)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

"The prayers of a righteous man availeth much."

Question:
Must one be righteous in the eyes of God to be saved?

Why do you quote a scripture that has nothing to do with salvation nor does it say the prayers of such a man are always answered?

Problem:
Our Laodicean churches today are not explaining to the sheep who are righteous in the eyes of God.

Answer:
"Little children, let no one deceive you.
He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous ...
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God ..."
(1 John 3: 7,10)

This is true but where is salvation promised in those scriptures?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The flesh cannot love. It only lusts. Unless born again a person cannot have true godly love from the Holy Spirit.

So none of the Israelites nor Abraham nor Elijah nor Noah knew anything about love? Why didn’t they ask God what love is when they were told to love Him with all their being?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

A child loves his parents because they ARE his parents and provide food, warmth, shelter, safety, nurture and hopefully love and affection.

Notice “provide” is in your sentence? That’s giving as I said.

I've even read of children who are denied some of these things; whose parents are neglectful, and yet they still love them and want to do their best to please them.

If parents didn’t give food, the baby didn’t live. They gave.

And I don't believe that responding to God's love alone, is "way too little".

Well it still is even if you doubt it.

God's love is awesome - he sent his perfect Son to die for godless, wicked, undeserving sinners. It would take anyone a lifetime to try to understand that - it may be years before some even accept it.

Again, the focus here is all on what man GETS. That is baby Christianity.

 

[BCsenior]

This is true but where is salvation promised in those scriptures?

I stand corrected big-time on the James verse!

But, in every NT verse which deals with salvation,
must eternal life be explicitly mentioned?

A BAC must be seen (in God's eyes) as being righteous for him/her to be in a state of salvation,
i.e. in the state of grace!

One can fall out of the state of grace.
Repentance can get one back into the state of grace.

Don't mean to sound RCC, but that's what I believe
the NT teaches us.

 

[Strong in Him]

Notice “provide” is in your sentence? That’s giving as I said. If parents didn’t give food, the baby didn’t live. They gave.

Yes, but food, shelter, warmth. affection etc aren't presents. They are supplying a child's basic needs, not giving an annual gift to celebrate some event.

Well it still is even if you doubt it.

Responding to God's love may lead you to read and study his word, preach the Good News and and love and care for the needs of others - how is that "way too little"?

 

[Strong in Him]

Again, the focus here is all on what man GETS. That is baby Christianity.

If GETTING, or receiving, God's love is "baby Christianity", then I pray I will remain a baby forever - constantly receiving, and being blessed by, his awesome love.

 

[Dave L]

So none of the Israelites nor Abraham nor Elijah nor Noah knew anything about love? Why didn’t they ask God what love is when they were told to love Him with all their being?

These were born again and had the Holy Spirit. They had love for God.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I stand corrected big-time on the James verse!

But, in every NT verse which deals with salvation,
must eternal life be explicitly mentioned?

A BAC must be seen (in God's eyes) as being righteous for him/her to be in a state of salvation,
i.e. in the state of grace!

One can fall out of the state of grace.
Repentance can get one back into the state of grace.

Don't mean to sound RCC, but that's what I believe
the NT teaches us.

Do the verses that teach about falling away have to explicitly mention that eternal life is then lost?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

These were born again and had the Holy Spirit. They had love for God.

They were born again before Jesus was born? Why did he bother to come if they were already born again? How come no
prophet ever mentioned it?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If GETTING, or receiving, God's love is "baby Christianity", then I pray I will remain a baby forever - constantly receiving, and being blessed by, his awesome love.

Too bad, but if you’re satisfied merely receiving then that’s where you’ll stay. Mature Christians move on to want to know Christ, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings.

 

[BCsenior]

Do the verses that teach about falling away have to explicitly mention that eternal life is then lost?

No they do not because it should be understood.
It all depends on one's belief that repentance
must be on-going, or not.
If so, then the falling away can be reversed.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes, but food, shelter, warmth. affection etc aren't presents. They are supplying a child's basic needs, not giving an annual gift to celebrate some event.

Doesnt have to be presents wrapped up. But they love because they receive. That is how it starts.

Responding to God's love may lead you to read and study his word, preach the Good News and and love and care for the needs of others - how is that "way too little"?

Works are good. Doesn’t make one mature though. Any baby christian can do this. Atheists do this too at times.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No they do not because it should be understood.

That salvation can be lost? That is true.

It all depends on one's belief that repentance
must be on-going, or not.
If so, then the falling away can be reversed.

Well falling away doesn’t happen and then is reversed and then happens again.

 

[Strong in Him]

Too bad, but if you’re satisfied merely receiving then that’s where you’ll stay. Mature Christians move on to want to know Christ, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings.

Well of course, and that's certainly me too. But it starts with us receiving God's love.
If we don't have his love, and are filled with his love, anything we do will be out of duty; works, to try and impress and win favour - and they will fail.
It's never that way around. GOD has taken the first step; he GAVE himself to us. We would be foolish not to receive, and want to receive, all that he has for us.
Ephesians 1:3 - blessed in the heavenly realm with every spiritual blessing.
1 Corinthians 12:28, Romans 12:6-8 and Ephesians 4:11 - blessed with gifts to serve God and build up the church.
When Paul tells us to be filled with the Spirit, the word means "continually" - keep on being filled with the Spirit. It's not a one time only event - "here's my Holy Spirit; now you're on your own."
God continually gives us his love, his time, his help, encouragement, wisdom, strength and so on; he wants us to receive and have these things so that we can serve him and proclaim the Gospel, as we've been commanded to do.

How do you suggest we know Christ, without receiving what he has for us - his power, love, encouragement, correction and so on? KNOWING Christ = relationship; relationship involves giving and receiving.

 

[Strong in Him]

Works are good. Doesn’t make one mature though.

I never said they did.
I said that our works can flow from, and be a result of, receiving God's love.

Of course anyone can do works - even non Christians. They will help others, but don't result in, or lead to, salvation.
God's love came first. We love BECAUSE he first loved us. He has shown us his love in the cross - we'd be foolish not to want to receive, not only his love, but all the blessings that he longs to give to us.