Where is Jesus?

[Gregory Thompson]

Quoting a prophecy doesn't make it unfulfilled.

What makes this prophecy unfulfilled?

All haven't come to repentance.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is why Jesus intimated that John the Baptist was the last prophet (Lk 16:16).

“Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees,” the Baptist said.

Whatever prophecies of the Prophetic Age that the New Testament recounts were prophecies of the Jewish Age. No one - not even Jesus - foretold anything beyond the end of the age in 70
AD.

Yes.
John the Baptist warned them at the baptism of Jesus concerning the coming Judgement of them and their City 40yrs after the Cross.

Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
“Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath?
Luk 3:7
Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him,
“Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath?

Jesus however condemned the Rulers to the Gehenna, on top of also their City and Temple. Did the Jews know what the Gehenna was?

Mat 23:
15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! That ye are going about the sea and the dry to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV<1067> twofold-more of ye-selves
33 "Serpents! brood of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

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[Gregory Thompson]

Yes.

Parousia, wouldn't that be a great new name for the city of Paris? Half kidding.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

He is in us, waiting to be revealed.....when we become like Him.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us"

"but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"

We can become the second coming?

 

[RaymondG]

We can become the second coming?

Don't understand your question.

 

[NeedyFollower]

“And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come”

~ Jesus

The gospel is proclaimed throughout the world.​

I do not know Brother ...there is certainly a gospel being preached but it seems that in many locations it is a gospel coupled with the rights of man ..that is not the gospel of the Kingdom . In a Kingdom , I do not get a vote ..I would not get it right if I did ....No the Kingdom of God is a humble Kingdom ..with longsuffering and meekness .

 

[Tropical Wilds]

By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?

When my son was 1 or 2, he had this random bad moment in public which was completely unlike him... He yelled at us, yanked things off shelves, ran off... It was the first and only time he had ever done that, ever. After warning him that if he misbehaved one more time we’d leave the store, he ran off and grabbed a handful of candy and screamed “NO!” My husband ran down the aisle, grabbed him and put him under his arm, and marched out the door with my son having a full fit the WHOLE time. That left me behind to sheepishly put back the stuff in our cart before leaving... I was mortified. Then, several minutes later, this sweet woman comes up to me and says “Hey, Mom? You are doing such a good job.” She squeezes my arm and smiled, I almost cried. I had never seen her before, haven’t seen her since, but 8 years later I remember that moment like it was yesterday and how something so small filled me up in such a big way.

That’s where Jesus is.

 

[Not David]

There are better things to do like making sure the world knows Christ.

 

[Mathetes66]

It appears you have preterist persuasions, which lead you to your conclusions & dismissing all others. However, WHEN Jesus returns (He will ONLY come back once, not 3 or 4 or 5X), 'Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

Stephen saw Jesus still in heaven, who stood up to receive Stephen's spirit. (Acts 7:54-60).

I Cor 15:20-26, 50-55 Christ hasn't come yet because the resurrection of the dead hasn't happened where we get resurrected bodies that are imperishable. The last enemy to be conquered is death. The fact that you are writing and I am writing says the resurrection of the dead hasn't occurred nor do we have our imperishable resurrected bodies. Flesh & blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The fact that people continue to die is another concrete evidence that Christ hasn't returned. The kingdom hasn't been returned to Israel and the nation of Israel hasn't repented & turned in belief that Jesus is the Messiah.

The new heavens & earth, in which righteousness dwells is not a reality in the world we live in. The full number of the Gentiles who will come to believe hasn't been reached yet & the age of the Gentiles is still going on. (Romans 9-11). I could do much more but I hope I am wasting my time based on my past experiences. God bless!

 

[_Dave_]

The reason for your confusion appears to be because your futurist hermeneutic demands an interpretation that Jesus and the apostles were wrong. Sorry but that's the way it is, I guess.

I guess I deserved that.

God doesn't have an Option A and an Option B for understanding his Word. So, just one of us is right. The thing is that nobody arrives at the truth by being snarky with one another.

For that, I apologize for starting the snark.

 

[John the Ex-Baptist]

Don't you think it's a little bizarre that if the return of Christ took place in AD 70, that the early church fathers didn't mention it? I'm not going to get bogged down on this thread, because I spent years breaking away from dispensationalism, and I sincerely think that preterism is simply the opposite side of the same coin to be honest.

Take the "Didache" for instance, which is widely recognised as authentic Christian literature thought to have been written around the close of the 1st century. So chances are the writer or writers were those who could very well have witnessed the temple destruction first hand. So why a few years after that huge event would they pen the words:

""Watch" over your life: do not let "your lamps" go out, and do not keep "your loins ungirded"; but "be ready," for "you do not know the hour when our Lord is coming."529  2Meet together frequently in your search for what is good for your souls, since "a lifetime of faith will be of no advantage"530 to you unless you prove perfect at the very last.  3For in the final days multitudes of false prophets and seducers will appear.  4Sheep will turn into wolves, and love into hatred. For with the increase of iniquity men will hate, persecute, and betray each other. And then the world deceiver will appear in the guise of God's Son. He will work "signs and wonders"531 and the earth will fall into his hands and he will commit outrages such as have never occurred before.  5Then mankind will come to the 179fiery trial "and many will fall away"532and perish, "but those who persevere" in their faith "will be saved"533 by the Curse himself.534  6Then "there will appear the signs"535 of the Truth: first the sign of stretched-out [hands] in heaven,536 then the sign of "a trumpet's blast,"537 and thirdly the resurrection of the dead, though not of all the dead,  7but as it has been said: "The Lord will come and all his saints with him. Then the world will see the Lord coming on the clouds of the sky."538"

There are also writings from the likes of Polycarp, Ignatius, Iraneaus, Justin Martyr etc., who all speak of the return of Christ in a future tense. These were all well known and respected Christian believers, alive at the very time preterists teach Jesus returned in judgement, and yet none of these faithful brothers, some who were even martyred for the faith, acknowledge what preterism teaches to be true. Call me skeptical, but I think that I for one will stand on the testimony of those guys, rather than listen to the concoctions of a few guys with too much time on their hands, writing about 1500 years or so after the event.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Don't you think it's a little bizarre that if the return of Christ took place in AD 70, that the early church fathers didn't mention it?

I recall reading some of the works that didn't make it into the canon, it's possible it was covered up. However, that would mean we're currently in hell, dreaming all this.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?

He came in judgment in 70AD. He also said "This generation will not pass till all these things are fulfilled. " He also said "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
So it may be that He fulfilled His second coming in judgment against Jerusalem and He will come back in glory on the last day.

 

[Zetetica]

Put yourself in Jesus shoes for a minute.
The last time you show up here, you get rejected and nailed to a cross.

...Are you in a hurry to come back?

2Pe 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[psalm911]

By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?

Jesus will return three days and a half after his two witnesses die.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Jesus will return three days and a half after his two witnesses die.

so currently there are too many witnesses, and too few that can do what the two witnesses can.

 

[psalm911]

so currently there are too many witnesses, and too few that can do what the two witnesses can.

Many come in the name of Jesus saying he is Christ and yet they have not the Spirit of God: the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.

 

[Blade]

As others said .. He is in you. And.. for Him it can also be just a tad over 2 days since He rose..So.. He IS coming soon. Look up..

 

[Strong in Him]

By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

By some interpretation of Biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?

He's with us and can be IN us by his Spirit.

 

[worshipjunkie]

There is still a tremendous need for the gospel to be preached to every corner of the earth. There are many unreached people groups, mostly in a geographical area known as the '10-40 window'. This site gives some great info on it, as well as things you can do to help reach the unreached. Joshua Project In my opinion, if we want to see Christ come again, then praying (and doing more, if possible) for the unreached is a practical thing we can do. Not that Christ is on our time table, but I do believe He's honored when we desire Him to be known so that He may come again.