Where is Jesus?

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By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14).

Let's not forget the other part of that equation. "... until the fullness of the gentiles be come in." Rom 11:25

I think it can be argued that although the Internet is capable of taking God's Word to every corner of the globe not everybody who will be saved is saved. How do I know that? Because God hasn't closed up shop yet, so obviously Rom 11:25 hasn't happened.

But as to the other part of your question: Jesus does sit at the right hand of God in a glorified body like what we will have at the snatching up. But, Jesus is also God; one of whose attributes is omnipresence. So, he is also in us in spirit.
 
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God's time is completely different from our time. One day to us could be a thousand years to Him or one single minute. We don't know. He operates on a different level than we do. Additionally, why do we think we have the authority or the right to know when He's going to carry out His plans?

Acts 1:7
He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority"

Should we not just trust Him to work out His plans in His timing? I think the world has a bit further to go before we get to the Second Coming. Everyone has different opinions on it but I know this: we have been instructed to wait patiently and diligently, carrying out the work that was given to us in faith and love until the correct time. And so that is what we should be concerning ourselves with. Trust God to work as He promised that He would.
 
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Let's not forget the other part of that equation. "... until the fullness of the gentiles be come in." Rom 11:25
Please explain how this is relevant to the Gospel being preached in the world of the first century and how that means Christ's return is not until thousands of years after he said he would return.
 
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By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?
Alright! more people keep asking that! it's one of the prophetic conditions.
 
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They do? That's great.

How many people answer it?
Who knows? God gets the last word, that's good enough for me.
2Peter 2:
3 ¶ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
 
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Please explain how this is relevant to the Gospel being preached in the world of the first century and how that means Christ's return is not until thousands of years after he said he would return.
Conservative scholars pretty much all agree that the Rom 11:25 verse is an end times prophesy that picks up again for Israel after the church is snatched up.

Preterists, of course, disagree.
 
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Of course one big prophetic condition remains unfulfilled:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
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Conservative scholars pretty much all agree that the Rom 11:25 verse is an end times prophesy that picks up again for Israel after the church is snatched up.

Preterists, of course, disagree.
Preterists do not disagree that Romans 11:25 is relevant the end of the age.

But again, please explain how the verse is relevant to the Gospel being preached in the world of the first century and how that means Christ's return is not until thousands of years after he said he would return.
 
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Of course one big prophetic condition remains unfulfilled:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Quoting a prophecy doesn't make it unfulfilled.

What makes this prophecy unfulfilled?
 
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Preterists do not disagree that Romans 11:25 is relevant the end of the age.

But again, please explain how the verse is relevant to the Gospel being preached in the world of the first century and how that means Christ's return is not until thousands of years after he said he would return.
I can't, because your question has a false premise. Can you reword the question to be more Scripturally accurate?
 
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I can't, because your question has a false premise. Can you reword the question to be more Scripturally accurate?
I said, "Jesus said, 'And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come' (Mt 24:14)."

To which you answered, "Let's not forget the other part of that equation. "... until the fullness of the gentiles be come in." Rom 11:25"

Post #21.

The premise, false or not, is yours.

How does Romans 11:25 relate to the gospel being preached in the nations of the first century?

And because I'm curious, assuming you're a futurist, how does that mean Christ's return is not until thousands of years after he said he would return?
 
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God's time is completely different from our time. One day to us could be a thousand years to Him or one single minute.
Should we not just trust Him to work out His plans in His timing? I think the world has a bit further to go before we get to the Second Coming.
Every summer, the Jews lament the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem, little knowing that was the fulfillment of every old and new testament prophecy concerning Judah and Israel. Please let them know that.........

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when? shall these be being,
and what? the Sign of Thy parousia<3952>,
and full-Consummation<4931-5055> of the Age.

Mat 24:32
“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh
Mar 13:28

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
Luk 21:30
“When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is nigh

James 5:8
be patient! and stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia<3952> of the Lord is nigh<1448>

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056>
is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written,
That the Time is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time is nigh<1451>

Why Did Vespasian and Titus Destroy Jerusalem? - TheTorah.com

Every summer, during the month of Av, the Jewish people mourn the tragic events of the Great Revolt, which culminated in the summer of 70, when the Romans burnt the Second Temple and devastated Jerusalem, the national, religious and spiritual center of Jews worldwide. Many Second Temple Jewish groups, such as the Sadducees and the Essenes, completely disappeared, and those who survived needed to reinvent Judaism without a Temple.
==================================

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html


The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins..........

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months,
the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.


Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him
“Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings

Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
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By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?

We also know that he told us that not even he, Jesus of Nazareth, knew the time and date that he would return. Our job was to live our lives according to his teachings and be ready. And I think it was Peter who would later write that a day is like a thousand years to the Lord.

So we still don't know when He will return, though I am sure many generations have suffered and despaired or things had become so hateful and vicious and cruel that they thought surely it was time. We are to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind and treat our neighbor as we want to be treated. And we are to be ready. We should each live each day as if it was like our last day and also as if we will live forever.

The ball is in His court for all the rest of it.
 
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It's pretty obvious, Bob.

"...And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

and

"... until the fullness of the gentiles be come in."

Those prophesies, made almost 2,000 years ago, haven't happened, are not complete. Obviously, Christ hasn't returned.

Ergo, It's been almost 2,000 years.

The reason for your confusion is because your preterist hermeneutic demands an interpretation that all of that had to take place during the time that Christ walked the earth or shortly thereafter.

Beyond that, I can't help you unless you change your hermeneutic style. Sorry.
 
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Every summer, the Jews lament the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem, little knowing that was the fulfillment of every old and new testament prophecy concerning Judah and Israel. Please let them know that...……
This is why Jesus intimated that John the Baptist was the last prophet (Lk 16:16).

“Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees,” the Baptist said.

Whatever prophecies of the Prophetic Age that the New Testament recounts were prophecies of the Jewish Age. No one - not even Jesus - foretold anything beyond the end of the age in 70 AD.
 
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By biblical accounts, Jesus should have come by now.

Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Mt 24:14). In the first century, the Gospel was preached in all the nations (Rm 1:8; 16:26; Col 1:6, 23).

Jesus said that abounding lawlessness is another sign of the imminence of the end (Mt 24:12). In the first century, even before the end of the age, the mystery of lawlessness was already at work (2 Thes 2:7).

Israelites were anxious for Elijah’s return, for that was another sign of the end of the age (Mal 4:5-6). In the first century, Elijah returned (Mt 17:12).

Jesus said he would raise up a new temple within days of the current temple’s destruction (Jn 2:19). In the first century, the new temple was being raised (1 Pt 2:5).

Jesus said many false prophets would lead many astray (Mt 24:11). The New Testament canon is replete with such occurrences in the first century, such as Acts 5:36-37.

In the first century, prophecy seems to have been fulfilled. So where’s Jesus?
He will return when almost everyone has given up waiting, when their faith in His promise to return is almost exhausted. When the churches are nearly empty, when mankind is convinced that God does not exist.
 
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It's pretty obvious, Bob.

"...And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

and

"... until the fullness of the gentiles be come in."

Those prophesies, made almost 2,000 years ago, haven't happened, are not complete.
How do you know?
Obviously, Christ hasn't returned.

Ergo, It's been almost 2,000 years.

The reason for your confusion is because your preterist hermeneutic demands an interpretation that all of that had to take place during the time that Christ walked the earth or shortly thereafter.

Beyond that, I can't help you unless you change your hermeneutic style. Sorry.
The reason for your confusion appears to be because your futurist hermeneutic demands an interpretation that Jesus and the apostles were wrong.


Sorry but that's the way it is, I guess.
 
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